Replacing Saddam with butchers.

Jack said:
With all the Salafis running around loose, I have a negative view on how much Saudi Arabia will 'modernize'. Now, I'm sure the 6,000 Royal Princes that were educated in the West will do fine.
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about 150k Saudis foreign students abroad
 
kudzu said:
MSB is 33.. that's not middle aged.

I see that you have bought into ignorance and propaganda.

ISIS declared war on KSA about 5 years ago and have carried out over 3 dozen suicide bombings.. plus there have been many gun battles with ISIS in Arabia.

Many countries don't have a constitution..

Westerners make a lot of noise about "infidels".. Christians and Jews aren't infidels and pagans are to be left in peace ..

Foreign labor is well paid.. Foreign workers flock to Arabia because they make enough money to support their extended families in Egypt, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc.

There is NO death penalty in Arabia for adultery or homosexuality.
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OK. A little timid with that one? I would at least expect you guys to take Aden. Isn't that a Saudi-sympathetic stronghold?

How about the impending Shia Crescent across your northern border? Any thoughts of maybe supporting the Kurds?
 
noise said:
Salafis is hardly unique to KSA ( and I'm not attempting to differentiate between Salafi and Wahhabi)

'AQ core' in Pakistan is al Qaeda,and so are the AQ "affiliates" worldwide.
ISIS is not AQ -but both are salafists . There are many many salafi mullahs in Europe as well
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Hmmmm ... sure wish I could figure out who would support all these Salafi/Wahhabi groups. A real puzzle. (insert sarcasm emoji here)
 
noise said:
KSA is not an expeditionary army.
The mountains would be too hard to control even if captured. Even if they held the coastal cities-
They would become a target of guerilla warfare
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Yes. All that you say is true.
That's why they just bomb the place indiscriminately.
 
Jack said:
OK. A little timid with that one? I would at least expect you guys to take Aden. Isn't that a Saudi-sympathetic stronghold?

How about the impending Shia Crescent across your northern border? Any thoughts of maybe supporting the Kurds?
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Anbar/Najaf Provence is "the Tribes" in Iraq, only Shi'a border with KSA are the marsh arabs of south Iraq
 
Jack said:
Yes. All that you say is true.
That's why they just bomb the place indiscriminately.
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Well it's been described as KSA's Vietnam..but KSA did not want this war..infiltration was killing their border guards.
Of course there is more to it then this, but from what I've read the Houthis ( Iranian proxies in the war) have been firing missiles towards Riyadh for a couple years


None of this justifies destroying the old city of Sann'a...and I'm sure I'm missing many pieces of the puzzle
 
noise said:
Anbar/Najaf Provence is "the Tribes" in Iraq, only Shi'a border with KSA are the marsh arabs of south Iraq
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The Marsh Arabs speak the same Gulf Arabic as al Hasa.. The Marsh Arabs by Wilfred Thesiger is real interesting.. He studied them for decades and used to come to Arabia to lecture.

He thinks they migrated about 5,000 years ago.
 
noise said:
Well it's been described as KSA's Vietnam..but KSA did not want this war..infiltration was killing their border guards.
Of course there is more to it then this, but from what I've read the Houthis ( Iranian proxies in the war) have been firing missiles towards Riyadh for a couple years


None of this justifies destroying the old city of Sann'a...and I'm sure I'm missing many pieces of the puzzle
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many pieces.
 
Jack said:
"Yemen civil war: Parents forced to watch their children starve to death as war topples country of 29 million into famine
Nearly a third of Yemen’s population – 8.4 million people – rely completely on food aid or else they would starve. That number grew by a quarter over the past year"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-arabia-iran-proxy-wars-middle-a8333921.html
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KSA has propped Yemen up for many decades with healthcare, hospitals, clinics, colleges, job creation, gasoline and food... What's happening now is a shame, but KSA built a security fence in 2001-2 and moved Saudi villages back from the border by 20 kilometers.

What Iran is doing in Yemen is insane.
 
kudzu said:
The Marsh Arabs speak the same Gulf Arabic as al Hasa.. The Marsh Arabs by Wilfred Thesiger is real interesting.. He studied them for decades and used to come to Arabia to lecture.

He thinks they migrated about 5,000 years ago.
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Al Hasa, in Saudi Arabia's Gulf region (Eastern Province) on the 25th parallel north, is one of the largest and oldest oases in the Middle East and its settlement and use goes back to antiquity.
http://www.diercke.com/kartenansicht.xtp?artId=978-3-14-100790-9&stichwort=date palm&fs=1
 
noise said:
Well it's been described as KSA's Vietnam..but KSA did not want this war..infiltration was killing their border guards.
Of course there is more to it then this, but from what I've read the Houthis ( Iranian proxies in the war) have been firing missiles towards Riyadh for a couple years


None of this justifies destroying the old city of Sann'a...and I'm sure I'm missing many pieces of the puzzle
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It's been going on for a long time. North Yemen and South Yemen. The Western world wants a stable Yemen, or at least a stable Aden, the city that controls the entrance to the Suez Canal. We (the US) smugly sit across the way in Djibouti and watch it all play out. It's not a 'KSA Vietnam', no Saudi wants to die. It's a 'Dresden'. Massive carpet bombing of the entire region, killing everything and everyone.
 
Jack said:
It's been going on for a long time. North Yemen and South Yemen. The Western world wants a stable Yemen, or at least a stable Aden, the city that controls the entrance to the Suez Canal. We (the US) smugly sit across the way in Djibouti and watch it all play out. It's not a 'KSA Vietnam', no Saudi wants to die. It's a 'Dresden'. Massive carpet bombing of the entire region, killing everything and everyone.
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the LAST THING we need is a US presence! enough of the interventionism!

Yes the civil war(s) have been going on since the 1960's in one way or the other.

Vietnam was carpet bombing as well - my point is KSA has a tiger by the tail,but it can't just let go either.
If the fvcking Iranians would quit supplying da rebels.. but they are insufferable hegemons.

I'm a lot more worried about Iranian expansionism then what happens in Yemen, as dreadful as it it
 
kudzu said:
KSA has propped Yemen up for many decades with healthcare, hospitals, clinics, colleges, job creation, gasoline and food... What's happening now is a shame, but KSA built a security fence in 2001-2 and moved Saudi villages back from the border by 20 kilometers.

What Iran is doing in Yemen is insane.
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It's all about Aden and control of the sea lanes to the Suez Canal, but I'm sure you know that.

kudzu: "What Iran is doing in Yemen is insane."

Yeah. I'm pretty sure those nice new shiny American made fighter jets dropping those nice new shiny American made bombs aren't being released by Iranians. But thanks for maintaining the propaganda speech. (I'm pretty sure the State of Israel pays their Hasbara operatives, does the KSA pay you guys?)
 
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