It was moronic; not weak. It presumes that Trump would do something illegal. It is a moronic assumption given that NO ONE has claimed or charged Trump with doing anything illegal.
Lying Don: I am the law
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It was moronic; not weak. It presumes that Trump would do something illegal. It is a moronic assumption given that NO ONE has claimed or charged Trump with doing anything illegal.
Once again; the AG serves at the will of the President you incoherent moron. Good lord you're an idiot on steroids.
How does "every soldier" know that an order is illegal? For instance, they're in Afghanistan and are on a mission to root out a nest of Taliban. They approach a small village and are told that the Taliban is entrenched there, that the entire population hates Americans and is heavily armed, but they're going in anyways. They are told to protect themselves and their fellow soldiers at all costs. So they end up slaughtering *everyone* because they believed that everyone was armed or booby-trapped or otherwise dangerous.
Did they act illegally? What about the men and women who marched on David Koresh's compound in Waco? Did they act illegally?
This is a subject NO ONE who has not been to boot camp understands, and very debatable for those who have. My Gunny once explained to me refusing an order better be a hill you are willing to die on, cause you probably will. It seems like I have said that on this forum. But anyway, I probably should not have used that example. I was just trying to explain how the power of an office works. There is a difference in the office of President and the man who is president. Just like the CO.
I've never been to boot camp, although three of my five kids have, and both of my brothers. Please explain further. It's been my understanding that when you are given an order, you obey -- or else. That hill you mentioned.
You can, and are indeed duty bound to refuse an unlawful order. The problem is they can be very difficult to identify. For example it might be a perfectly lawful order to order you to blow up a hut. The NCOIC might have just seen an enemy run into that hut, but you seen a kid run into that hut a few minutes before your Sgt didn't see. You refuse, in the mean time the bad guy picks up an RPG and kills 10 of your fellow Marines. Yep, you are dying on that hill. It is just a very fine line and the point is you have to be damn sure it is not a lawful order something you would be willing to die or ruin your career and life over. Pretty high standards.
Damn. It's a lot like being an urban police officer in a typical American city. Thanks for explaining; I figured it was something like that. Respect highest for our military ppl put in those kinds of situations.
Back to the discussion of civilians and their heavy gun power thinking that we're going to stave off an attack by our American armed forces because it's all like 1776 again. Those guys aren't going to refuse an order to take out a suburb infested with commies/brown ppl/liberals/muslims/mexicans/terrorists/etc.
We are going to be the Hut People in your scenario.
I don't believe we (American Service members) would be less than honorable, I don't think we would kill our fellow citizens without cause. But that was one scenario we discussed lawful orders. It has been a long time since I really thought about this.
Thanks for your input and experience.
Our current political climate is scary to me. Conservatives, gun nutz, not-so-able-to-get-a-job-or-into-college kids tend to enlist in the military. Like the rest of us they've been exposed to the hate and division in our country. It would not take much for a leader to convince his/her troops that American liberals/brown ppl/non-Xtians/"illegals" were the enemy. Damn, just look at the tards here who believe that. There are posts that sound like gunhummper wet dreams.... freaked out liberals and "snowflakes" running around being gunned down because the gunfucker morons think we're weenies. How horrible to think this way about your fellow American citizens.
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The problem with being a soldier is that your ability to think independently is all but wiped out in boot camp. It is drilled into you to jump at the slightest command and don't question it. To hesitate gets your ass handed to you and your entire platoon punished who will then bring down that misery on you for bringing it upon them. Being told you are entering a village where everyone is armed and hates you is essentially telling you to shoot first and never ask questions...ever. You are doing your duty. Period.
Once you are a trained soldier it's extremely hard to go against that bone deep conditioning. I applaud any solider who manages to question before they act if it means killing indiscriminately. You will indeed face the "firing squad" for your actions but you have to decide whether your conscious is worth that price.
Once you are a trained soldier it's extremely hard to go against that bone deep conditioning. I applaud any solider who manages to question before they act if it means killing indiscriminately. You will indeed face the "firing squad" for your actions but you have to decide whether your conscious is worth that price.
Superfreak
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Never once said he could make them do illegal stuff.
Sessions legally had to recuse himself.
Superfreak
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Again, has nothing to do with what I stated.
Next will you tell me how the sky is blue and water is wet?
Why do you think US banks refused to loan Trump any money since 2005?
Some soldiers do act out of conscience regardless of orders. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/calley-charged-for-my-lai-massacre
Because he went bankrupt 5 or 6 times and cheated those he owed money? Is that the reason? Then Donny Jr said they got all the financing they needed from Russia. But, trump still has no connection to Russia. Not sure how that works.
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Trump has always been a cheat. Do his fans think he's suddenly changed?
Rarely does a soldier KNOW in capital letters an order is unlawful. If I recall correctly the UCMJ charge is "Failure to obey a Lawful order." Tough call in combat.