Interesting Question: Can You Be A Strong Conservative And Support Gay Marriage?

Funny how government being involved in marriage was a non-issue for Thumpers until gays started getting married.

Most Trumpers would support a wide range of government involvement, government programs, etc as long they could make sure "those others" didn't benefit from it.
 
"It's not JUST about making babies." TD #257
You have persuasively refuted a point I neither asserted nor implied.

YOU posted:
"No, my argument hasn't changed. The purpose and intent of marriage has always been about procreation" TD #251
I refuted your assertion by pointing out that marriage is 100% extraneous to procreation.
"I am not surprised the point is lost on liberals." TD #257
I'm sure you're more than qualified to speak for them.
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b) There is extramarital procreation to this day.
Which is creating the societal problems we currently see in Democratic controlled urban sewers."
You're welcome to post valid statistical evidence of that.
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And the stigma of bastardy has subsided.
Wrong; the stigma lasts forever for those who are conceived out of wedlock and without family structure.
Wrong. The status is eternal. But the stigma may have stemmed from the fact that unparented children may have in their ignorance turned to underhanded means of survival, including theft.
But since in the third millennium in Western culture that's a virtual non-issue, the stigma that resulted from it has also subsided.
Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn have at least one child out of wedlock. She seems to be a happy, capable, well raised young lady.
"The notion that this isn't the problem is the lie of liberal dogma."
So the notion that it is, is the lie of Republican dogma?
"Western Europe is in decline and paying a price for it. What is passe is the notion that family is unimportant and marriage can men anything we want it to." TD
Perhaps you allude to Asian ascendancy.

I invite you to post a quotation of anyone asserting "family is unimportant" (your exact words).
"I'm still waiting for an answer; why gays need the institution of marriage."
Equal legal rights.
You didn't know?
 
In other words, so called Christians are very selective when it comes to what part of that orthodoxy that want to enforce -- they take it light on the adulterers -- but want government action taken against gays
What government action do Christians want taken against the gays? This is a nonsensical response to what I posted.
 
lib'ruls are so hypocritical........they oppose people who want to make a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich and call it a marriage.........what right to they have to judge......
 
In other words, so called Christians are very selective when it comes to what part of that orthodoxy that want to enforce -- they take it light on the adulterers -- but want government action taken against gays

The "Christian Right" (however you want to define them) has narrowed their focus to two things and two things only: abortion and LGBT rights (in particular, same sex marriage). The rest of the bible be damned.

Jesus speaks out against divorce at least four times in the bible but they still support Donald Trump. The bible speaks out against adultery but they still support Donald Trump. It speaks out against lying but they still support Donald Trump. The list goes on.
 
What government action do Christians want taken against the gays? This is a nonsensical response to what I posted.

Do understand a "marriage ban" or a "constitutional amendment" is government action designed to prevent gays from equal protection right?

You do understand trying to kick gays and trans military members out of service simply for being gay is government action right?

and you do understand that everything I just listed are all things conservatives consistently try to do, much to the delight of evangelicals


The only non sense I see is your willful ignorance.
 
Do understand a "marriage ban" or a "constitutional amendment" is government action designed to prevent gays from equal protection right? You do understand trying to kick gays and trans military members out of service simply for being gay is government action right? and you do understand that everything I just listed are all things conservatives consistently try to do, much to the delight of evangelicals The only non sense I see is your willful ignorance.

Dropping the faux conservative act, I see.

Or did you just forget you were logged in as rhym3pays?
 
Do understand a "marriage ban" or a "constitutional amendment" is government action designed to prevent gays from equal protection right?

You do understand trying to kick gays and trans military members out of service simply for being gay is government action right?

and you do understand that everything I just listed are all things conservatives consistently try to do, much to the delight of evangelicals


The only non sense I see is your willful ignorance.

Redefining marriage is government action.

Redefining it outside of a legislative process is tyranny.
 
No straw man.

Discrimination against polygamists is no different than discrimination against gays. Are gays ‘more special’ than polygamists.

When those that supported same sex marriage claimed marriage is a right and that people should be able to marry who they want, they weren't pushing for equality but for an agenda.
 
When those that supported same sex marriage claimed marriage is a right and that people should be able to marry who they want, they weren't pushing for equality but for an agenda.

Civil unions for gays was a very legitimate compromise that they wouldn’t settle for.

So I can’t disagree.
 
Dropping the faux conservative act, I see.

Or did you just forget you were logged in as rhym3pays?

See, I can do this because most Trump supporters are re-programmable meatbags who only has 32 mins of memory and only react to sycophantic Trump tripe....

In other words, they are slow, don't worry.
 
Civil unions for gays was a very legitimate compromise that they wouldn’t settle for.

So I can’t disagree.
Why should they settle? They are humans just like you. They deserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness just like you. Keep your religion to yourself and out of our laws.
 
No straw man.

Discrimination against polygamists is no different than discrimination against gays. Are gays ‘more special’ than polygamists.

I don't think polygamists should be discriminated against either -- if polygamists were smart, most of them should stop being so anti-gay themselves and build a coalition -- especially if in polygamist relationships, all participants are adults and can give consent.
 
See, I can do this because most Trump supporters are re-programmable meatbags who only has 32 mins of memory and only react to sycophantic Trump tripe....In other words, they are slow, don't worry.

I'm not worried. Isn't it a fact that many of the posters you've duped are DEMOCRATS?
 
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