Trump's Spiritual Adviser: Sure, Jesus Was A Refugee, But He Didn't Do Anything Illeg

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Sometimes when I want to get someone's attention...thoroughly...I use more drama than usual.

I really want to get your attention.

In the meantime, my blood pressure is probably 120 (or slightly less) over 78 (or slightly less) right now. And I will be 82 on the 9th of August next!
 
You are being asked about what JESUS taught.

The quotes from Deuteronomy and Proverbs are totally irrelevant.

The quotes from Matthew and Luke are closer in spirit to communism than to American conservatism by orders of magnitude.

Think about what you are saying here, United.

And so that you know I am not playing a game, here is a bibliography of the Bibles in the room I am sitting in right now that I use as references:

St. Joseph Edition of The New American Bible; Catholic book Publishing, NY; 1968 (Catholic)

The New American Bible; Thomas Nelson Inc, Nashville; 1971 (Catholic)

The Holy Bible King James Version; Thomas Nelson, Nashville: 1984 (Protestant)

The Holy Bible New International Version; Zondervan Bible Pub. Grand Rapids; 1978 (Non-demoninational)

The Scofield Reference Holy Bible (King James Version); Oxford Univ. Press; NY; 1909 (Protestant)

The Holy Scriptures Masoretic Text; Jewish Publ Society; Philadelphia: 1955 (Jewish)

The Holy Bible, St.Joseph Textbook Edition, Confraternity Version; Catholic book Publ: NY; 1963; (Catholic)

The Holy Bible Revised Berkeley Version; The Gideons Intrl; 1984; (Non-denominational Protestant)

The New American Catholic Edition of The Holy Bible; Benziger Bros, Boston; 1950 (Catholic)

The Old Testament; Guild Press NY; 1965 (Catholic)

The Living Bible; Holman Illustrated Edition: A.J. Holman Co; Philadelphia; 1973 (Protestant)

The Holy Bible; King James Version; The World Publ Co: Cleveland; (no date); (Protestant)

The Old Testament; Hebrew Publishing Co: NY; 1916 (English & Hebrew) (Jewish)

**** Also I use

The Common Catechism of the Christian Faith: Seabury Press;NY 1975 (Protestant)

Catechism of the Catholic Church: Libreria Editrice Vaticana; Urbi et Orbi Comm; 1994 (Catholic)

The New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism: Catholic Book Publish; NY; 1962 (Catholic)

*****Plus, I have (estimated) 40 - 50 other books dealing with the Bible, religion, and philosophy that I use when posting.

I would disagree though. Because the Matthew and Luke quotes advocate for willingly giving. Communism advocates the forcible taking and redistribution.

That is a wonderful collection of books/bibles/scriptures btw.
 
Sometimes when I want to get someone's attention...thoroughly...I use more drama than usual.

I really want to get your attention.

In the meantime, my blood pressure is probably 120 (or slightly less) over 78 (or slightly less) right now. And I will be 82 on the 9th of August next!
Ok good. It was hard to tell over the internet. Didn't want you to stroke out over me [emoji23]
 
I would disagree though. Because the Matthew and Luke quotes advocate for willingly giving. Communism advocates the forcible taking and redistribution.

You disagree that "willingly giving"...which can include support for a national policy of exacting money from those that have to give to those that do not...is CLOSER to the teachings of Jesus...

...than American conservative's, "I've got mine, screw you?"

C'mon.

Let's discuss that.

But be real.


That is a wonderful collection of books/bibles/scriptures btw.

Thank you.
 
You disagree that "willingly giving"...which can include support for a national policy of exacting money from those that have to give to those that do not...is CLOSER to the teachings of Jesus...

...than American conservative's, "I've got mine, screw you?"

C'mon.

Let's discuss that.

But be real.




Thank you.

I do disagree with that. Here's why. You used some fancy language there. Broken down, "a national policy of exacting money from those that have to give to those that do not", or advocating the use of force to take from those that have and redistribute to those that do not, is not what Jesus advocated. Communism, or a national policy to exact money from those that have, require violence. Something Jesus never advocated. Jesus advocated helping your neighbor through the goodness of your heart. Not threatening or using violence to help others.

I think that there are American conservatives that have that mentality. I also think there are American liberals with that mentality. On Bernie Sanders latest tax returns, he made well over 1 million dollars last year. Making him part of the 1% he so badly wants us to think he despises. But he donated just over $7k to charity. This is all verifiable.

The I've got mine, screw you, mentality isn't a partisan mentality. It's a human mentality. I've known plenty of people who support communism or socialism, until it's their money that's being taken. Bernie loves socialism. But he pays less than I do in taxes, 13.5%. And I might make 1/10th of what he does in a year. Whatever happened to the rich paying their fair share?

I'm not defending all conservative policy or all conservatives. I know people who've worked for Koch Industries who will tell anyone who will listen how they are the worst people in the world and terrible to their employees. I also know a guy who spent a day with George W. Bush, and said he was the nicest guy in the world. Back to the point though, I'm not a registered Republican and I do not vote a straight ticket. But I don't think that saying the conservative mentality is "I've got mine, screw you", is fair. And I don't think that communism or using force to take something which is not yours is compatible with Christianity.

Btw, I'm not saying you're a Bernie supporter, I don't know if you are or not. Just using him as a mainstream example.
 
I do disagree with that. Here's why. You used some fancy language there. Broken down, "a national policy of exacting money from those that have to give to those that do not", or advocating Something Jesus never advocated. Jesus advocated helping your neighbor through the goodness of your heart. Not threatening or using violence to help others.

I think that there are American conservatives that have that mentality. I also think there are American liberals with that mentality. On Bernie Sanders latest tax returns, he made well over 1 million dollars last year. Making him part of the 1% he so badly wants us to think he despises. But he donated just over $7k to charity. This is all verifiable.

The I've got mine, screw you, mentality isn't a partisan mentality. It's a human mentality. I've known plenty of people who support communism or socialism, until it's their money that's being taken. Bernie loves socialism. But he pays less than I do in taxes, 13.5%. And I might make 1/10th of what he does in a year. Whatever happened to the rich paying their fair share?

I'm not defending all conservative policy or all conservatives. I know people who've worked for Koch Industries who will tell anyone who will listen how they are the worst people in the world and terrible to their employees. I also know a guy who spent a day with George W. Bush, and said he was the nicest guy in the world. Back to the point though, I'm not a registered Republican and I do not vote a straight ticket. But I don't think that saying the conservative mentality is "I've got mine, screw you", is fair. And I don't think that communism or using force to take something which is not yours is compatible with Christianity.

Btw, I'm not saying you're a Bernie supporter, I don't know if you are or not. Just using him as a mainstream example.

First of all...I am FAR from a "Bernie supporter"...although I find many of the changes he wants for society to be the kinds of changes I want to see in society. However, I think "Bernie supporters" and "Johnson supporters" and "Stein supporters" are a significant part of the reason we have this abomination in the Oval Office right now.

With that out of the way...you are correct that Jesus never advocated "the use of force to take from those that have and redistribute to those that do not." But neither do I. I do advocate for government to tax...and to use those taxes for the many things it suggested for which it was instituted.

OUR government, among other things, was instituted to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare."

It should get it done. A part of any decent government is TAXING.

It is a part that has been hated since government began.

Learn to live with it...because the way things are going with our technological evolution, the redistribution of money from the poor to the wealthy (which is what has been happening)...had better reverse itself. AND SOON. The government is the entity that will have to make that adjustment.

As for the "I've got mine, screw you"...that is so entrenched in the American conservative ethos it might as well be tattooed on each of your foreheads. I understand the reluctance to accept that...it truly is the most disgusting thing about a political philosophy that is loaded with disgusting facets.
 
As for the "I've got mine, screw you"...that is so entrenched in the American conservative ethos it might as well be tattooed on each of your foreheads. I understand the reluctance to accept that...it truly is the most disgusting thing about a political philosophy that is loaded with disgusting facets.

I like everything about this post, but you saved the best for last.

Most conservatives want all the benefits that a civilization provides -- safety, security, infrastructure, education -- but they don't want to personally pay for it. They think that everything will work just fine if we all get to keep our entire paycheck; that roads, schools, firemen, cops, the military, food and drug safety, worker safety, etc. will all just magically happen. It's very weird. Libertarians are even worse. They want all that stuff too, along with no taxes, and no government either.
 
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