Question for JPP lefties

PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



I don't think it is a good idea. I agree it looks like a vote-grab.

But I would favor automatic voter registration associated with getting a Social Security card. That makes more sense to me. Our system of requiring citizens to register to vote adds an unnecessary layer of complexity which results in fewer people voting. This hurts our democracy, makes it weaker and more vulnerable to big money power interests.

I believe people would be more patriotic and responsible citizens if all adult citizens over age 18 are automatically registered to vote. When people vote, they take more national responsibility. Also, there should be public PR campaigns designed to shame those apathetic people who do not become politically engaged, well informed or vote. Our system of self-government, government which derives it's power from the consent of the governed, is designed to function only with the active participation of the populace.

Couple that with a mandatory Ranked Choice Voting system in every State, and we would have far more effective government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Right now we seem to have a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. That is too exclusive and wrong. It is destined to fail and not be longstanding. It's shallow instant gratification for the greedy.
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I’d be okay with automatic voter registration so long as it’s coupled with voter ID.

Get rid of voting rolls altogether and that way no one will be tempted to scour them for dead voters.
 
StoneByStone said:
I think it's a good idea. The justification is that at 16, people are generally more mature than the boomers who are still voting.
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All Nattering Nancy has to do is make a statement and you idiots jump on it like a welfare leech on food stamps.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
To my mind, allowing 16 year olds to vote is one of the most brazen attempts at vote grabbing I’ve ever seen. All politicians would need to do is show them shiny things and they’d have the 16 year old bloc locked down tight.

But how many JPP lefties think this is a good idea? And what’s the justification for it?

Winning the next election doesn’t count.
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Do not have an opinion either way - think it is worth at least considering.

It is also very telling that Republicans are always worried about more people voting, and the Republican default position is that the more people vote, the more conservatives lose.

A very clear indication that Republicans fully realize they are a minority party, and are only able to cling to power by voter suppression, electoral college, gerrymandering, and making it as much of a hassle as possible to vote. Here is a suggestion: why not come up with ideas, visions, and policies that more people will buy into?

The bottom line is that there were 16 and 17 year old kids who felt on a visceral level that invading Iraq was a dumb ass idea -- meanwhile there were college educated, older Republicans on this board who thought invading Iraq was a great idea.

Life experience is not a leading indicator of making good choices at the presidential level. And statistical evidence has always shown a prevailing tendency of the wisdom of the crowd, even if the crowd has non-experts, or 16 year olds.

People vote their values. No one is actually a policy expert on anything, even though we try to act like arm chair policy experts on anonymous message boards.
 
Sixteen seems young to vote... but then we trust 16-year-olds with 2,000-lb possibly lethal weapons (cars). And piloting planes. And owning firearms.
 
Sailor said:
Everyone should have to produce a pay stub showing they pay employment taxes or proof of being retired ( they already worked) to vote.
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A nice attempt at trolling, perhaps? But it would be blatantly unconstitutional.

More importantly, I think disabled people, housewives, stay-at-home moms, and rural survivalists living off the grid should be able to vote in a representative democracy.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Sixteen seems young to vote... but then we trust 16-year-olds with 2,000-lb possibly lethal weapons (cars). And piloting planes. And owning firearms.
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A lot of 16 and 17 year olds have part time jobs, pay payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, sales taxes, etc.

The whole, no taxation without representation thing comes into play.

According to Wiki, Austria, Argentina, Brazil, Germany have a legal voting age of 16.
 
Earl said:
I don't know, noise. I wasn't very politically astute in my third year of college.
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when did you follow enough politics that you got past the pure rhetoric and at least tuned into deciding on issues/persona?

There are a lot of adults running around loose in the USA that are politically ignorant-
but they get to vote.
I just don't want kids with no perspective of experience to vote - thy canot make an informed decision
 
Pelosi thinks lowering it would make 15 and 16 year olds get into politics. But most schools don't even have poli sci anymore.
 
anonymoose said:
Another ill-gotten legacy of the Vietnam War.
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people confuse ability to drive, and drink and serve ( age of majority) with enough experience to make a decision of a weighty matter.
18 is pushing it. 16 is laughable. you might as well have illegals voting....oh wait...
 
noise said:
people confuse ability to drive, and drink and serve ( age of majority) with enough experience to make a decision of a weighty matter.
18 is pushing it. 16 is laughable. you might as well have illegals voting....oh wait...
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Let's review: You voted for a mediocre Reality TV entertainer with no qualifications to be the leader of the Free World.
A salesman of real estate and frozen steak products who shows no capability or interest in learning about governance, statecraft, and policy.

You are in no position to claim your judgement is better than a garden variety 16 year old.
 
Cypress said:
Let's review: You voted for a mediocre Reality TV entertainer with no qualifications to be the leader of the Free World.
A salesman of real estate and frozen steak products who shows no capability or interest in learning about governance, statecraft, and policy.

You are in no position to claim your judgement is better than a garden variety 16 year old.
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oh JFC. me and 63,000,000 American are "unqualified" - take that trash outta here.
You voted for a corrupted warmongering serial liar -I don't tell you about "qualification"
 
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