A primer and discussion of the 14th Amendment, Section 1.

They can’t stand the fact that our Constitution requires our government to give Due Process to All Persons.
 
Jarod said:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

No state shall...Citizens of the United States.
Nor shall any state... Any Person...
Nor deny... any person within its jurisdiction.




You idiots see, the writer defined three categories of people and limited government action with regard to each catagory.

We have "Citizens."
We have "Any People."
We have "Any People within its Jurisdiction."

The Government cannot make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

The Government cannot deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

The Government cannot deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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So what the fuck is your point? I don't see the point here. Did someone NOT get due process under the law? WHO?
 
evince said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_the_United_States
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"The Immigration and Nationality Act ('INA') authorizes the Attorney General to grant asylum if an alien is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin because she has suffered past persecution or has a well-founded fear of future persecution on account of 'race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.'"[1]
The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside their country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.
This commitment was codified and expanded with the passing of the Refugee Act of 1980 by the United States Congress. Besides reiterating the definitions of the 1951 Convention and its Protocol, the Refugee Act provided for the establishment of an Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to help refugees begin their lives in the U.S. The structure and procedures evolved and by 2004, federal handling of refugee affairs was led by the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) of the U.S. Department of State, working with the ORR at HHS. Asylum claims are mainly the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
 
They are reduced to arguing that “All Persons” was intended to mean only citizens.
 
Note the right wing posters are LYING about what the constitution says?


these are not Americans they are fucking foreign bots who are working to destroy the nation and tear up the constitution
 
Jarod said:
Due Process is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT you fucking dump fuck. Do you realize how imbecilic you sound?
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Do you realize how triggered you sound. We are talking the 14th amendment are we not? Is Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code in the Constitution?

What is the point of your whiny outbursts and emotional babbling here? Did someone NOT receive due process?
 
Jarod said:
They are reduced to arguing that “All Persons” was intended to mean only citizens.
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And it's all based on the opening statement. These persons are citizens and the Article continues to address these persons.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"
 
Jarod said:
You are a fucking dumbass, The first sentence does not say all people are citizens, read it again. It says all people who meet certain criteria are citizens.
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No, it clearly states: All persons born or naturalized in the United States Of course if you want to be an obtuse dumbass, you can call that "certain criteria".
 
evince said:
"The Immigration and Nationality Act ('INA') authorizes the Attorney General to grant asylum if an alien is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin because she has suffered past persecution or has a well-founded fear of future persecution on account of 'race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.'"[1]
The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside their country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.
This commitment was codified and expanded with the passing of the Refugee Act of 1980 by the United States Congress. Besides reiterating the definitions of the 1951 Convention and its Protocol, the Refugee Act provided for the establishment of an Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to help refugees begin their lives in the U.S. The structure and procedures evolved and by 2004, federal handling of refugee affairs was led by the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) of the U.S. Department of State, working with the ORR at HHS. Asylum claims are mainly the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
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which says this
 
why would the writer use three distinct clauses to define rights of a single group? Why would the writer use three different phrases to define a single group?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No it doesn’t. It doesn’t say ANY person has ALL the rights of a citizen but that ALL people have the right to due process of law and equal protection under the law.
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It clearly states All persons born or naturalized in the United States I didn't see any qualification for people who come here ILLEGALLY, did you?
 
Truth Detector said:
No, it clearly states: All persons born or naturalized in the United States Of course if you want to be an obtuse dumbass, you can call that "certain criteria".
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Right All Persons who meet this criteria... (born or naturalized in...) are citizens.

Not all people are citizens.
 
evince said:
"The Immigration and Nationality Act ('INA') authorizes the Attorney General to grant asylum if an alien is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin because she has suffered past persecution or has a well-founded fear of future persecution on account of 'race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.'"[1]
The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside their country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.
This commitment was codified and expanded with the passing of the Refugee Act of 1980 by the United States Congress. Besides reiterating the definitions of the 1951 Convention and its Protocol, the Refugee Act provided for the establishment of an Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to help refugees begin their lives in the U.S. The structure and procedures evolved and by 2004, federal handling of refugee affairs was led by the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) of the U.S. Department of State, working with the ORR at HHS. Asylum claims are mainly the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
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It doesn't obligate anyone to do anything. If you weren't a low IQ lunatic and a partisan hack, you too could comprehend the OBVIOUS.
 
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