If democrats abolish the Electoral College republicans would never win the WH

I don't understand how you can think that when it is literally written into the Constitution that slaves don't count as whole people, but 35 of a person to be factored into an allotment of representatives that are voted for by only white, landowning men.
still has zero to do with the EC. let me know when you're ready to accept facts

Do you know that that means, though? It doesn't mean "give the minority power at the expense of the majority because the minority can't win elections anymore."
but you think it means that the majority gets power over the minority? you really don't understand a republic at all, do you?

I don't give a shit what someone who exaggerates their military service for effect on an anonymous message board thinks what our Republic is "supposed to be".
never exaggerated my military service. i think you're just angry about being a selfish coward who was too scared to serve....or too lazy
 
LMAO!

A "big population center" was 50,000 people in 1776.

And NO, they didn't have huge farmlands...unless they were slaveowners.

More people live in Atlanta today than lived in the whole US in 1776.

About twice as many people live in Los Angeles County ALONE than lived in the entire country in 1776.

if you're advocating reducing the US population back to what it was during the 1800s, lets do it.
 
Yes, it has everything to do with how those offices were filled because only a select handful of people actually got to vote for them.

Yeesh.

so you're not interested in learning why we are a republic, you just want to continue your idiot leftist ideology that's wrong. all you had to say
 
dumbass low information prole..............if you can't understand the wrongness of our taxation system

What's wrong with our taxation system is that the wealthy don't pay their fair share.

Your idea of wrongness is rooted in the belief that you can spend that money better and more efficiently than the government.

And I'm here to tell you, that just ain't fucking true, as 40 years of tax cuts have shown.

And this isn't a "both sides" thing. This is a one side thing that does not respect and is openly contemptuous of government as an institution. Again, rooted in the belief that you know what's best, and that you know how to responsibly spend revenues...a fantasy, in other words.
 
What's wrong with our taxation system is that the wealthy don't pay their fair share.
and you can thank the senior members of BOTH parties for that

Your idea of wrongness is rooted in the belief that you can spend that money better and more efficiently than the government.
because I can, that's why

And I'm here to tell you, that just ain't fucking true, as 40 years of tax cuts have shown.
see my first answer........then my second to see you are wrong.

And this isn't a "both sides" thing. This is a one side thing that does not respect and is openly contemptuous of government as an institution. Again, rooted in the belief that you know what's best, and that you know how to responsibly spend revenues...a fantasy, in other words.
let me know when you take off the blue colored blinders, you partisan twit.
 
still has zero to do with the EC. let me know when you're ready to accept facts

FACEPALM.


but you think it means that the majority gets power over the minority? you really don't understand a republic at all, do you?

Yes, majority rules. That's why the Senate is 50 +1 votes. That's why the House passes legislation along majority lines. The issue is the representation, and there's no definition of a Republic where the minority rules despite not getting a majority of the vote.

You seem to think a Republic is synonymous with a Dictatorship.


never exaggerated my military service. i think you're just angry about being a selfish coward who was too scared to serve....or too lazy

Sure you did. You said you were a Marine. But what you didn't say -that I had to drag out of you- was that as a Marine, you didn't serve in combat, you were never in a foxhole, and you sat in an air-conditioned room on your ass, staring at a screen all day, doing a job that 30,000 people do every day in the US for no accolades or special accommodation.

So let's be real when talking about your military service. Because you aren't being real about it.

I never served because I didn't need to. I got into college. I developed skills in college that landed me in grad school, and I used those skills I learned in grad school to make myself employable once I finished. I bet I worked harder than you did. I certainly put in way more hours in front of a screen than you ever did. Ever had to defend a Master's Thesis? No? Then shut the fuck up about directing traffic.
 
Of course the system gives one party an advantage...the party that finds itself consistently losing elections, then blaming the elections instead of their own shitty, failed policies, candidates, and ideas. Without the Electoral College and if there was fair representation in the Senate and House, the GOP would have no control. None. And rightly so because they didn't earn it.

You seem to think they earn it by virtue of simple existing. That's entitlement. If states couldn't draw their own federal districts, the GOP's deficit in the House would be much greater. Partisan gerrymandering is the only reason the GOP remains relevant because they have no policies, no record of success to celebrate.

They don't earn it by simply existing but by winning the most votes.

61 Republican state legislative chambers v. 31 Democratic chambers

States with a Republican governor and both chambers of state legislature: 22 v. Democrat 15

26 Republican governors v. 24 Democratic governors

Whining about "partisan gerrymandering" is what the Republicans did for years when the Democrats controlled the South.

No they don't. Georgia is a perfect example of how Republicans are not benefitting from people moving to red states.

From 2000 to 2016, Georgia voted Democratic 0 percent of the time and Republican 100 percent.
Republicans have controlled the GA state house, senate, and governorship since 2005.

There are many other states that have benefited: TX, FL, NC, UT, ID,
 
if you're advocating reducing the US population back to what it was during the 1800s, lets do it.

Wow...way to stretch there.

What I'm saying is that the founding fathers never contemplated a 21st-century America that stretches from coast-to-cost, where you can hop on a plane in NY and end up in LA 4 hours later. They never envisioned a world where there was no slavery. They never envisioned a world where women were allowed to vote and run for office. They never envisioned a world connected by the Internet.

So applying an 18th-century mindset to 21st-century problems is probably not a smart thing to do. Do you use leeches for your health care? Do you drive around in a horse and buggy? Do you send messages by carrier pigeon? Do you shit in a hole in the ground you dug? Of course not. So why do you selectively apply 18th-century solutions to 21st-century governance?
 
and you can thank the senior members of BOTH parties for that

Well, it wasn't the Democrats who voted in 2017 to cut taxes.

Nor was it the Democrats who voted to cut taxes in 2001 and 2003.

Democrats have been running on a platform of raising taxes on the rich. You're the ones who oppose that, remember?
 
FACEPALM.

Yes, majority rules. That's why the Senate is 50 +1 votes. That's why the House passes legislation along majority lines. The issue is the representation, and there's no definition of a Republic where the minority rules despite not getting a majority of the vote.

You seem to think a Republic is synonymous with a Dictatorship.
you're looking more and more the idiot. I never said such a thing and you're still missing the idea of a republic. you've confused it with something your handlers have spoon fed you to believe. you seem to have no clue about the intent of the USA at the time of the ratification. why is that?

Sure you did. You said you were a Marine. But what you didn't say -that I had to drag out of you- was that as a Marine, you didn't serve in combat, you were never in a foxhole, and you sat in an air-conditioned room on your ass, staring at a screen all day, doing a job that 30,000 people do every day in the US for no accolades or special accommodation.

So let's be real when talking about your military service. Because you aren't being real about it.

I never served because I didn't need to. I got into college. I developed skills in college that landed me in grad school, and I used those skills I learned in grad school to make myself employable once I finished. I bet I worked harder than you did. I certainly put in way more hours in front of a screen than you ever did. Ever had to defend a Master's Thesis? No? Then shut the fuck up about directing traffic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are about the second most delusional idiot on this forum. ZERO concept of military service or what it means, and again, I wouldn't trust most college grads to shovel my driveway. there is no fucking way you worked harder than I did as a Marine............no way you put in more hours, and no fucking way at all that you understand what it means to even be in the military, let alone the Marine Corps
 
because I can, that's why .

No you can't, because you can't self-finance a highway. You can't self-finance a sewer system. You can't self-finance mass transit. You can't self-finance the military. All of these things require government to finance them. Otherwise, we end up with inconsistent infrastructure, private militaries, and toll roads...like Medieval England.

Some problems, most problems, are so big that an individual alone cannot solve them...that's why we have representative government. To solve the problems the individual cannot solve on their own.
 
Wow...way to stretch there.

What I'm saying is that the founding fathers never contemplated a 21st-century America that stretches from coast-to-cost, where you can hop on a plane in NY and end up in LA 4 hours later. They never envisioned a world where there was no slavery. They never envisioned a world where women were allowed to vote and run for office. They never envisioned a world connected by the Internet.

So applying an 18th-century mindset to 21st-century problems is probably not a smart thing to do. Do you use leeches for your health care? Do you drive around in a horse and buggy? Do you send messages by carrier pigeon? Do you shit in a hole in the ground you dug? Of course not. So why do you selectively apply 18th-century solutions to 21st-century governance?

thank you for showing most of the board you're a total moron.
 
see my first answer........then my second to see you are wrong.\

So then tell me...how would you, personally, build a highway without the government?

How would you, personally, maintain that highway so that it doesn't crumble?

How would you, personally, design and build a bridge the highway needs to cross over a river?

How would you, personally, do all of that since your experience is in air traffic control?
 
No, the EC was created to give slaveowners more say in the government, that's all.

Democracy is majority rules.

If you couldn't win a majority of votes, why should you get to control government?

BS. It was because the framers knew the states with smaller populations would not have approved popular vote. At the time, that was the Southern (slave) states, but it was population, not slavery, that was the issue.

Madison designed the Constitution to make it very difficult for the majority to gain control. That is why he wanted a republic and not a democracy (Federalist #10), because he opposed the "tyranny of the majority."
 
So then tell me...how would you, personally, build a highway without the government?

How would you, personally, maintain that highway so that it doesn't crumble?

How would you, personally, design and build a bridge the highway needs to cross over a river?

How would you, personally, do all of that since your experience is in air traffic control?

are all you idiot liberals an all or nothing group? or just you and domer?
 
They don't earn it by simply existing but by winning the most votes.

Right, and apart from the garbage welfare states they run, they can't win votes in the rest of the country. They can't even win votes in their own state. TX and GA are perfect examples of states that have been gerrymandered at the state level.

In this last election in GA, Democratic State House candidates received about 10,000 more votes in the aggregate than Republicans. However, the GOP gerrymandered the state so that their Legislative advantage is 104-74, yet the aggregate vote totals are more like 50-50. So if GA had fair representation, the state house would be much more balanced than it currently is. So you say that the states elect Republicans, but do they??? If the State Legislature's aggregate vote is nearly a 50/50 split, how do you justify giving one party 30 more legislative seats in the chamber?

I seriously want to know the justification.
 
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