not the Crimean people, and not the control of the penninsula.
You can say the US belongs to indigenous people - doesnt matter
NATO encroachent in Russian Black Sea waters is a war waiting to happen
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You can say the US belongs to indigenous people - doesnt matter
lol the Black sea isn't anyones -there are restricted zones the Brits moved into.
why do this? they arent going to get Crimea back into Uk's hands. it's pure provocation
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Russian stole their access to that sea idiot
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They are Russo bot holes
i didnt know the Kinzhal was operational yet....dang
no Russia is never going to move past Donbass -it would be suicide
Russia has no need for Ukraine - it DOES need border security, hence the attempt to federate Donbass away from Kyiv
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Reagan trashed Gorbachev
Remember the “tear down this wall” bit
Gorbachev had already told Ronny he planned to take it down
It was an evil photo op which trashed the man trying to bring freedom to russia
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Satire for Sanity
Sure- and the S-600
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moon
Satire for Sanity
Perhaps- but also suicide for anybody that tried to stop them.
Best that NATO retires itself back where it came from.
February 25, 2021
No, Russia Does Not Have an S-600 or S-700 Anti-Air System
Moscow is certainly going all in on its powerful line of anti-air missile units, but even the S-500 is not in serial production yet.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/no-russia-does-not-have-s-600-or-s-700-anti-air-system-178792
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
The Crimean Peninsula, north of the Black Sea in Eastern Europe, was annexed by the Russian Federation between February and March 2014 and since then has been administered as two Russian federal subjects—the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol. The annexation from Ukraine followed a Russian military intervention in Crimea that took place in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and was part of wider 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine.
The Crimean Peninsula, north of the Black Sea in Eastern Europe, was annexed by the Russian Federation between February and March 2014 and since then has been administered as two Russian federal subjects—the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol. The annexation from Ukraine followed a Russian military intervention in Crimea that took place in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and was part of wider 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine.
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On 22–23 February 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin convened an all-night meeting with security service chiefs to discuss the extrication of the deposed Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. At the end of the meeting, Putin remarked that "we must start working on returning Crimea to Russia".[4] On 23 February, pro-Russian demonstrations were held in the Crimean city of Sevastopol. On 27 February, masked Russian troops without insignia[7] took over the Supreme Council (parliament) of Crimea[42][43] and captured strategic sites across Crimea, which led to the installation of the pro-Russian Sergey Aksyonov government in Crimea, the conducting of the Crimean status referendum and the declaration of Crimea's independence on 16 March 2014.[44][45] Russia formally incorporated Crimea as two federal subjects of the Russian Federation on 18 March 2014.[46][47][note 2]
hey you know how much i hate NATO expansion
-it's needless, it's bloats NATO, and makes NATO a political block more then a defense block
Ukraine was fucked up by the Euromaidan - by our hands ( Vicky Nuland and John McCain)
and thus the Crimea annexation etc.
No good comes from any of it
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moon
Satire for Sanity
I wouldn't want to be the first to find out.
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well there is a lot to it and the F-35's standoff abilities as well as the tracking (devil is in all the details)
But as much as I cant stand that fascist Erdogan, he made the correct move for Turkey's security by buying the S-400
Yep, & does Britain or NATO really care about the Ukraine?? No, no more than they do Uyghurs, HK, Tibet or the Isle of Formosa-simply a bitch of convivence.. Same shit they been pulling in the middle east, central asia & N Africa........ & China continues to benefit, not the USA, not NATO or Europe....
ALL excellent points. especially HK -a former Brit colony that China violated the treaty on the turnover.
It ALL goes back to Russiaphobia; utterly misplaced and stupid overturning of the Nixon China card
for the phobes.
I am not positive we could ever decouple Russia and China military - they arent a unified command yet
but thy can defacto do so (Vostok 2018 games)
Instead we force Putin into Xi's sphere