Hiroshima, 6 August 1945

[Cypress]

When it comes to Warfare, you can count on Cypress and Phantasmal to be Doormats for the Fascists to wipe their boots on.

Which fascists did you take up arms to fight against?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

My husband, a liberal, is a decorated Vietnam vet, how about yours?

As I

 

[anatta]

oh my, you shut up... maybe you should go buy some guts

yu mean like blown up guts strewn across a rice paddy in Vietnam- to do what exactly??

 

[Phantasmal]

I respect the moral principle implied by your opinion

Thank you, you have known me along time and that I am strong in my opposition against war. I have endured a lot of criticism for it, but I will never change my views. Gandhi is my hero.

 

[anatta]

My husband, a liberal, is a decorated Vietnam vet, how about yours?

good for him
I have no argument with those that served, my beef is with Nixon/LBJ/ and to a much lessor extent JFK

The war was hubris, a pack of lies about SEATO "stopping the spread of communism"

talk about nukes? WTF does one say about carpet bombing??

 

[Phantasmal]

As I

Thank you for your service.

 

[christiefan915]

My father, aunt, grandmother, and grandfather lived under a Japanese military occupation and had their house confiscated by officers of the Kwangtung Army.

I love to see a good takedown of these know-nothings who had no skin in the game.

 

[christiefan915]

Not if the majority were like us. I do not support war. I never have. I have been a pacifist my whole life. I will die a pacifist.

Amen, sister. Respect!

 

[Phantasmal]

I agree 100%. A thousand percent, even.

Yes! We were shoulder to shoulder during the Iraq War. We took a lot of verbal abuse for it, too. High five.

 

[anatta]

I love to see a good takedown of these know-nothings who had no skin in the game.

what does that mean?
Truman had a duty to end the war. it was a WORLD WAR, the alternative was invading Japan
is that the skin you mean?

 

[Cypress]

warning for what?
to leave Hiroshima?? that would give the Japanese military ADVANCE WARNING they were targeted

We did not target the Japanese military.

We targeted a civilian urban population.

I said nothing about giving the Japanese government precise information about the date, time, and location.

Even Truman tried to telegraph a warning to the Japanese - the Potsdam Declaration made an explicit threat that Japan faced utter annihilation if they did not surrender unconditionally. Even Truman recognized the moral neccessity of issuing a dire warning.

I am just asking if smart people could have made the threat posed to Japanese civilians a little more explicit and direct.

 

[anatta]

Yes! We were shoulder to shoulder during the Iraq War. We took a lot of verbal abuse for it, too. High five.

Iraq was jingoistic "yellow ribbon" nonsene pushed by neocons. it had NOTHING to do with 9-11

WWII was a completely different animal

 

[Jack]

The Nazis and Japanese learned the hard way that ruthless and indiscriminate killing of civilian populations undermines your war effort in the long run by turning world opinion against you, creating ten new enemies for every civilian you kill, and wasting valuable military resources on a campaign of retribution which really serves no effective strategic military purpose.

If the Germans or Japanese had the A bomb, do you think they would have used it on us?

 

[anatta]

We did not target the Japanese military.

We targeted a civilian urban population.

I said nothing about giving the Japanese government precise information about the date, time, and location.

Even Truman tried to telegraph a warning to the Japanese - the Potsdam Declaration made an explicit threat that Japan faced utter annihilation if they did not surrender unconditionally.

I am just asking if smart people could have made the threat posed to Japanese civilians a little more explicit and direct.

At the time, American bombers were already firebombing many cities, killing tens of thousands.
Im sure it was used to "shock" Japan into surrender - but dont overlook that aspect either. Bushido etc

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Russia had entered the war. The Japanese feared the Russians. There were already ongoing talks for surrender. The matter of the Emperor was the only thing left to negotiate. We were already bombing the crap out of Japanese cities. There was no need to use a nuclear weapon on the two cities. It was just a needless show of power.

Yet the American ppl were told that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary targets.

My dad was a scientist; he worked on one of the many small parts of the Manhattan Project. He believed that narrative at the time, too. But as the decades rolled on and more information came out, he changed his mind. He felt tremendous guilt over his role as a civilian scientist. No doubt many others did as well.

 

[memorygal]

As I

you are free to stay in the city or get out!!!

 

[memorygal]

My husband, a liberal, is a decorated Vietnam vet, how about yours?

we don't brag...

 

[christiefan915]

Yes! We were shoulder to shoulder during the Iraq War. We took a lot of verbal abuse for it, too. High five.

 

[Cypress]

Thank you, you have known me along time and that I am strong in my opposition against war. I have endured a lot of criticism for it, but I will never change my views. Gandhi is my hero.

Freedom of conscience is the most precious kind of freedom, and no dictator can ever take that away from you.

 

[Phantasmal]

we don't brag...

I do! I’m very proud of my husband and what he endured as a 19 year old kid. He’s my hero!