Hiroshima, 6 August 1945

guno said:
What a stupid goyim , Israel was never at war so it wasn't a peace deal , it was forming diplomatic relations to formalize trading that has been going on for over 10 years , hint jackass Israel and Saudi Arabia have contacts for many years but no diplomatic relations as of yet. Any wonder we Jews see your kind as uneducated dreck
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As-salamu alaykum
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, legal immigrants can serve. They will also be granted citizenship (they still have to apply) once they honorably complete their military service or have finished a specified number of years of service.
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Makes sense, but I've heard otherwise.
 
PoliTalker said:
...contemplating that one...

I guess it is. (although the long term implications make me wonder)

But it's far better to simply have civil discourse.
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Yes, it is. Sadly some of us here are incapable of that and have to resort to their usual misogynist put-downs and lies.
 
Trumpy said:
I always got the impression they were glad to have defeated the Germans which kept the two allied forces occupied until then. And in meeting their battlefield allied counterparts, they celebrated because they were that much closer to going home.
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yep, they celebrated with drink and dance for a while after the victory but they clearly didn't trust each other. they all saw what was coming I'm sure. "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only goes so far
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Butt out unless you have something to add to the fact that the poster I am addressing thinks that anti-war ppl are "doormats," while he's never served either in peace time or in war. What makes him even more ridiculous is that he doesn't even know where I stand on our various military actions, because I haven't stated my opinion on them.
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HAHAHA ... some military action is Just. You are a Doormat because you have NOTHING you will fight for. (Don't try to Road Boss Dukkha on this, it's a Politics Forum)
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, I have personally seen many armchair warriors who call other people cowards and chickenshits for their lack of military service, while never having served themselves. You have too.
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Hypocrisy usually runs rampant with extremists regardless of flavor, but shitting on veterans, which began with GW Bush and Karl Rove, a fucking chickenhawk himself, was a death knell to the Republican party.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Butt out unless you have something to add to the fact that the poster I am addressing thinks that anti-war ppl are "doormats," while he's never served either in peace time or in war. What makes him even more ridiculous is that he doesn't even know where I stand on our various military actions, because I haven't stated my opinion on them.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Why are you trying to deflect from both the OP and the fact that you managed to weasel out of serving when there was an active draft sending men to a shooting war in Asia? You openly admire #TRE45ON for that, don't you?
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fuck off with that noise. Lots of good men "weaseled out". Trump included. but also Clinton
I give no quarter to revisionists who decry draft dodgers unless your as was on the line -then you have a right tocriticize
Obviously your's wasn't involved
 
Trumpy said:
Are you Phantasmal's puppet master or his/her mouthpiece?
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She is an excellent puppet master.

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Trumpy said:
We knew that the Russians were Communists and that they wanted to make the world Communist ruled, and we were opposed to that goal, but we made peace with the Soviets to defeat a common enemy just as the Communists today make nice with those of competing ideologies in order to defeat America.




http://www.renegadetribune.com/general-pattons-warning-on-communism-and-jews/

There is also evidence that FDR shared an appreciation for some aspects of Marxism. And that might have influenced his policy towards the USSR.
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ya ya. i get all that. there is an INSANE poster that thinks we should have nuked Moscow was my point
 
dukkha said:
fuck off with that noise. Lots of good men "weaseled out". Trump included. but also Clinton
I give no quarter to revisionists who decry draft dodgers unless your as was on the line -then you have a right tocriticize
Obviously your's wasn't involved
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hahahahahaha ... yeah. Pretty sure Doormat Owl wasn't on any front lines in Nam.
Let's see. She claims to be a 'Pacifist', but laments about others for 'not serving'.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If you read that whole letter, the tone taken was one of the scientists wanting to give Japan a chance to surrender before being nuked. They had little compunction against the actual act but rather wanted it to be an act after other options were exhausted.
The US military opinion at the time was it would save lives and hasten the end of the war. Japan had had opportunities to surrender and showed no signs of wanting to do so. Truman sided with that opinion.
The bombs of the period, in the kiloton range, resulted in about the same level of destruction on a city that a large scale conventional bombing raid did. A raid on Tokyo with conventional bombers resulted in more deaths and wider destruction than either atomic bomb. But it required several hundred bombers and thousands of aircrew to pull off. Nuclear bombs of the sort then available were a better option for roughly the same level of destruction.

It would be thermonuclear (fusion) bombs that were truly terrifying.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Try the results using a Hiroshima bomb versus something in the MegaTon (MT) range on this.
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Your first two sentences are *mostly* what I believed all along. From my readings there were private negotiations with Russia, asking for them to mediate between Japan and the US. These were ongoing and the sticking point was how Japan could surrender without losing face with its own people. However, the Russians screwed them over with US assistance. What I don't believe is that a nuclear strike was the only way to end the war. We managed to get Germany to surrender without going down that road.

"While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders (the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, also known as the "Big Six") were privately making entreaties to the publicly neutral Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms more favorable to the Japanese."
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Hypocrisy usually runs rampant with extremists regardless of flavor, but shitting on veterans, which began with GW Bush and Karl Rove, a fucking chickenhawk himself, was a death knell to the Republican party.
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dream of Goldwater. if only..ROFL
Im not even going to ask further -you live in a delusions
 
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