Hiroshima, 6 August 1945

[ThatOwlWoman]

A TOTALLY TRUE STATEMENT ... is this from PERSONAL experience ???

Yes, I have personally seen many armchair warriors who call other people cowards and chickenshits for their lack of military service, while never having served themselves. You have too.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Destroying the GOP.

https://i.imgur.com/qpoJR5a.gif

The Republicans let him by driving out all of the Old Guard Republicans and forming the party into a cultish group of fascists admiring Putin and Kim Jong-un.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Yes. That's true. Like I said, I don't have a File Cabinet of past discussions. So, let's update our conversation. When trump proposed the same thing as Obama, a Strike against Assad, were you for that like all the other Republicans?

Deflection from both OP and fact that Warmonger Jack never served: Unanswered.

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes, I have personally seen many armchair warriors who call other people cowards and chickenshits for their lack of military service, while never having served themselves. You have too.

This is a deaf armchair warrior who wish he could have joined the military.

 

[Jack]

Deflection from both OP and fact that Warmonger Jack never served: Unanswered.

The OP is about bombing Japan. I've answered that. Have you?

 

[Trumpy]

we were not at war with Russia - i have no idea what Patton wanted. It's too bizarre to even debate

We knew that the Russians were Communists and that they wanted to make the world Communist ruled, and we were opposed to that goal, but we made peace with the Soviets to defeat a common enemy just as the Communists today make nice with those of competing ideologies in order to defeat America.

"Several months before the end of the war, General Patton had recognized the fearful danger to the West posed by the Soviet Union, and he had disagreed bitterly with the orders which he had been given to hold back his army and wait for the Red Army to occupy vast stretches of German, Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian, and Yugoslav territory, which the Americans could have easily taken instead.

On May 7, 1945, just before the German capitulation, Patton had a conference in Austria with U.S. Secretary of War Robert Patterson. Patton was gravely concerned over the Soviet failure to respect the demarcation lines separating the Soviet and American occupation zones. He was also alarmed by plans in Washington for the immediate partial demobilization of the U.S. Army.

Patton said to Patterson: “Let’s keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Red Army. This is the only language they understand and respect.”

Patterson replied, “Oh, George, you have been so close to this thing so long, you have lost sight of the big picture.”

Patton rejoined:

“I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a serious action such as I could put to them. They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof — that’s their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give them for five days. After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left for them to maintain themselves going back. Let’s not give them time to build up their supplies. If we do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!”

Patton’s urgent and prophetic advice went unheeded by Patterson and the other politicians and only served to give warning about Patton’s feelings to the alien conspirators behind the scenes in New York, Washington, and Moscow.

The more he saw of the Soviets, the stronger Patton’s conviction grew that the proper course of action would be to stifle communism then and there, while the chance existed. Later in May 1945 he attended several meetings and social affairs with top Red Army officers, and he evaluated them carefully. He noted in his diary onMay 14:

“I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of recently civilized Mongolian bandits.”

And Patton’s aide, General Hobart Gay, noted in his own journal forMay 14: “Everything they (the Russians) did impressed one with the idea of virility and cruelty.”

Nevertheless, Patton knew that the Americans could whip the Reds then — but perhaps not later. On May 18 he noted in his diary:

“In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better.”

Two days later he repeated his concern when he wrote his wife: “If we have to fight them, now is the time. From now on we will get weaker and they stronger.”

Having immediately recognized the Soviet danger and urged a course of action which would have freed all of eastern Europe from the communist yoke with the expenditure of far less American blood than was spilled in Korea and Vietnam and would have obviated both those later wars not to mention World War III ..."

http://www.renegadetribune.com/general-pattons-warning-on-communism-and-jews/

There is also evidence that FDR shared an appreciation for some aspects of Marxism. And that might have influenced his policy towards the USSR.

 

[signalmankenneth]

First Milliseconds of Nuclear Bomb Test Fireball‬

When I first seen this years ago, it reminded me of an amoeba?!!

This is from the first atomic bomb blast, The Trinity Test

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

fuck off with this noise.
56k Americans "died for a mistake" - ( John Kerry)

Butt out unless you have something to add to the fact that the poster I am addressing thinks that anti-war ppl are "doormats," while he's never served either in peace time or in war. What makes him even more ridiculous is that he doesn't even know where I stand on our various military actions, because I haven't stated my opinion on them.

 

[reagansghost]

We knew that the Russians were Communists and that they wanted to make the world Communist ruled, and we were opposed to that goal, but we made peace with the Soviets to defeat a common enemy just as the Communists today make nice with those of competing ideologies in order to defeat America.

nailed it, have seen old war films depicting US and Soviet troops meeting up after kicking some Kraut ass, both sides looked like they didn't want to be there

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The OP is about bombing Japan. I've answered that. Have you?

Yes, the OP is about the atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Very good. Now go back and see what I've said about it, dodger.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Phantasmal,

Add me to that list. My litmus test for deciding if something is really OK to do is asking: "What if everyone did that?" "Is that good for the world or not."

Wars are begun by leaders. Most people, no matter what country they're in, they just want to live and let live. Why start trouble or mess with other people? It's not logical. Rich powerful leaders start wars. Poor powerless followers are always the ones to die.

Leaders have to give the orders, but is there any doubt that after Dec 7th and 9/11 that Americans wanted their leaders to destroy our enemies?

Wars are actions done as a last resort and always should be the last resort. I've always felt women make the best diplomats but when it comes time for war, they need to pass it over to the military, mainly men. Assign them a mission goal and get out of their way.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello AProudLefty,

I am not surprised. I know that some immigrants have or are serving in the US military.

There have been foreigners who serve in our military and are then denied citizenship. To me, that's wrong. If you're willing to honorably serve a hitch or two, you should be given citizenship.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

nailed it, have seen old war films depicting US and Soviet troops meeting up after kicking some Kraut ass, both sides looked like they didn't want to be there

Some had been fighting for years. Almost everyone likes to go home.

 

[Jack]

Yes, the OP is about the atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Very good. Now go back and see what I've said about it, dodger.

hahahaha ... I think you said dropping the Bombs were a mistake and that 500,000 Americans should have invaded the Home Islands.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

It's certainly much safer to sit in one's nice safe home and throw verbal grenades at others, than to actually serve in combat.

...contemplating that one...

I guess it is. (although the long term implications make me wonder)

But it's far better to simply have civil discourse.

 

[christiefan915]

You said (in a sense) that those who were there didn't matter because it was 76 years ago. Well, what is being protested today is older than 76 years.
I made my point in the above post.

You misunderstood my point. I certainly never said their opinions don't matter. I wouldn't try to persuade those who were *there* 76 years ago that dropping the bomb was a bad idea because they lived through the war horror and know about it first hand... as opposed to those of us giving our opinions all these years later.

My other opinion is that it's ludicrous to equate nuclear war with demonstrations no matter whether they're by BLM, antifa, the Proud Boys or whoever.

 

[Trumpy]

nailed it, have seen old war films depicting US and Soviet troops meeting up after kicking some Kraut ass, both sides looked like they didn't want to be there

I always got the impression they were glad to have defeated the Germans which kept the two allied forces occupied until then. And in meeting their battlefield allied counterparts, they celebrated because they were that much closer to going home.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

hahahaha ... I think you said dropping the Bombs were a mistake and that 500,000 Americans should have invaded the Home Islands.

Pass around that hash pipe when you're done, would you? lol

PS -- Don't try "thinking." You're incapable.

 

[AProudLefty]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,



...contemplating that one...

I guess it is. (although the long term implications make me wonder)

But it's far better to simply have civil discourse.

Yeah it's way better to have an Internet Flame War over an Actual Flame War.

 

[AProudLefty]

You misunderstood my point. I certainly never said their opinions don't matter. I wouldn't try to persuade those who were *there* 76 years ago that dropping the bomb was a bad idea because they lived through the war horror and know about it first hand... as opposed to those of us giving our opinions all these years later.

My other opinion is that it's ludicrous to equate nuclear war with demonstrations no matter whether they're by BLM, antifa, the Proud Boys or whoever.

You forgot to include CRT.