Archaeology of the New Testament

[Into the Night]

You control how many there are and whether or not they are dropped. Once you leave the bucket, all control is lost .

Nope. Every single ball follows the same laws of physics.

 

[Into the Night]

I told you countless times the Physical universe is a reaction to Satan entering YHWH's space causing the Big Bang!
Spirit universe predates the Physical universe

Go learn what the 'uni-' in Universe means.

 

[Into the Night]

Right but when you make up words and their definitions, anything can mean anything.

No. It's just a math error. He doesn't understand the underlying mathematics.

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

Go learn what the 'uni-' in Universe means.

Fuck off!

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Everyone else is running around this thread hollering that the universe is unorganized, random, disordered, unlawful.

That's a great worldview if you want to completely undermine the scientific enterprise.

The most fundamental premise of science is the belief that the universe is rationally intelligible and governed by logical, consistent universal principles which are discoverable.

that's not a premise of science.

that's your innate OCD.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Nope. Every single ball follows the same laws of physics.

all ball talk is theoretical to you, having no balls.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

No. It's just a math error. He doesn't understand the underlying mathematics.

no.

he's an idiot with words and vague physics terms and bullshit.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Nobody is disputing your scientific claims.

he doesn't know what science is.

he thinks ill defined and horse crap theoretical physics terms are science.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

No. It's just a math error. He doesn't understand the underlying mathematics.

all of theoretical physics is nonsense used to wast the brains of intelligent people on dogmatic ill-defined mysteries and bullshit.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Every other poster on this thread has been telling me for months that the universe is random, unorganized, disorderly, and unlawful.

I've been gaslighted with claims that natural laws of physics are just creations of humans, instead of being universal principles that are objectively and independently real.

I am definitely the only poster who has been consistently defending the scientific enterprise and the scientific belief that the universe is rationally intelligible and governed by logical, consistent universal principles which are discoverable.

you're a brainwashed fool who sucks at thinking.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Go learn what the 'uni-' in Universe means.

we give up.

what does it mean and how is that relevant?

 

[Cypress]

Well, that's an opinion, not a scientific statement.

The universe does what it does and man explains it with equations.

You're combining science and opinion. I don't see any organization in the universe. I don't think man attempting to make sense of it means it's organized.

You and your anti-science buddies IntoTheNight and Ichabod Stain have all collectively been gaslighting me by claiming the universe is random, unorganized, disordered - and that the laws of nature are just constructions of the human mind; not objectively and independently true and real universal properties of the cosmos.

That line of thinking is a direct attack on the scientific enterprise because it denies the most fundamental premise on which science is based: that the universe is rationally intelligible and governed by logical universal laws.

Science would not even be possible if one doesn't hold the belief that the universe is rationally intelligible.

 

[ZenMode]

Nope. Every single ball follows the same laws of physics.

Once the balls leave the bucket, you, the dumper, no longer control the balls.

You, the dumper, don't control the impact of gravity, can't create or change the wind or any other force that would impact the movement of the balls.

 

[ZenMode]

You and your anti-science buddies IntoTheNight and Ichabod Stain have all collectively been gaslighting me by claiming the universe is random, unorganized, disordered - and that the laws of nature are just constructions of the human mind; not objectively and independently true and real universal properties of the cosmos.

That line of thinking is a direct attack on the scientific enterprise because it denies the most fundamental premise on which science is based: that the universe is rationally intelligible and governed by logical universal laws.

Science would not even be possible if one doesn't hold the belief that the universe is rationally intelligible.

Words like lawful, rational, organized etc are not related to science. They are your opinion. The forces in the universe existed long before man and will exist long after man.

 

[Cypress]

Words like lawful, rational, organized etc are not related to science. They are your opinion. The forces in the universe existed long before man and will exist long after man.

I hate to break it to you, but science doesn't just use mathematical equations, and scientists are not just robots. Science as an enterprise is based on a set of fundamental beliefs, assumptions, premises. We are doing science for a reason, we aren't just doing it for no reason at all. Any intellectual pursuit has to operate from a set of premises or assumptions.

Science is based on the belief that the universe is rationally intelligible, and governed by discoverable universal principles which are logical and consistent.

You, IntoTheNight, and Ichabod Stain are being openly and radically anti-science when you gaslight me with claims the universe is random, unorganized, and it's natural laws are just arbitrary constructions of the human mind.

 

[ZenMode]

I hate to break it to you, but science doesn't just use mathematical equations, and scientists are not just robots.

Ok.

Science as an enterprise is based on a set of fundamental beliefs, assumptions, premises. We are doing science for a reason, we aren't just doing it for no reason at all. Any intellectual pursuit has to operate from a set of premises or assumptions.

Ok.

Science is based on the belief that the universe is rationally intelligible, and governed by discoverable universal principles which are logical and consistent.

All of the laws of mathematics, physics, etc that dictate the behavior of the universe and objects in the universe, are what they are. The idea of a law is a man created idea. The idea of a proof is a man created idea. Those and similar concepts don't inherently exist in the universe.

You, IntoTheNight, and Ichabod Stain are being openly and radically anti-science when you gaslight me with claims the universe is random, unorganized, and it's natural laws are just arbitrary constructions of the human mind.

Again, those descriptions, organized, unorganized, random, etc are nothing but your opinion. The descriptions used by other posters are also only their opinion.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

You and your anti-science buddies IntoTheNight and Ichabod Stain have all collectively been gaslighting me by claiming the universe is random, unorganized, disordered - and that the laws of nature are just constructions of the human mind; not objectively and independently true and real universal properties of the cosmos.

That line of thinking is a direct attack on the scientific enterprise because it denies the most fundamental premise on which science is based: that the universe is rationally intelligible and governed by logical universal laws.

Science would not even be possible if one doesn't hold the belief that the universe is rationally intelligible.

we can be rational ourselves in a chaotic universe, you fucking imbecile.

you're a dumb as fuck idiot.

 

[Cypress]

Ok.

Ok.

All of the laws of mathematics, physics, etc that dictate the behavior of the universe and objects in the universe, are what they are. The idea of a law is a man created idea. The idea of a proof is a man created idea. Those and similar concepts don't inherently exist in the universe.



Again, those descriptions, organized, unorganized, random, etc are nothing but your opinion. The descriptions used by other posters are also only their opinion.

I am on the side of Albert Einstein.
For months, you have been on the side of anti-science posters IntoTheNight and Ichabod Stain.

The universal vector field of acceleration manifested as an inverse square mathematical relationship which we named gravity existed 13.5 billion years before you were born, and did not need the permission of any humans to exist as an objective reality in the universe.

Albert Einstein believed the universe is fundamentally organized, rational, and comprehensible. He most famously expressed this belief by stating, "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible."
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[ZenMode]

I am on the side of Albert Einstein.

You regularly appeal to authority to support your desire to believe in a sky wizard.

For months, you have been on the side of anti-science posters IntoTheNight and Ichabod Stain.

I'm not anti science. Your opinion of the conscious organization of the universe isn't science.

The universal vector field of acceleration manifested as an inverse square mathematical relationship which we named gravity existed 13.5 billion years before you were born, and did not need the permission of any humans to exist as an objective reality in the universe.

Correct. It also didn't need a conscious designer for it to exist.

Albert Einstein believed the universe is fundamentally organized, rational, and comprehensible. He most famously expressed this belief by stating, "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible."
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Yes, that is also an opinion.

 

[Cypress]

You regularly appeal to authority to support your desire to believe in a sky wizard.

The beliefs of Albert Einstein carry weight.

It is extremely noteworthy that Einstein believed the universe is organized and rational, while you believe the universe is random and unorganized.

Comparing your belief to Einstein's belief on something as fundamental to science as the rational intelligibility of the universe is highly revealing.

I'm not anti science. Your opinion of the conscious organization of the universe isn't science.

You claimed for months, along with your friend IntoTheNight that the universe is random, unorganized, that universal laws and principles are just arbitrary constructions of the human mind.

That is profoundly anti-science, and directly contradicts the most fundamental belief underlying the scientific enterprise.

Correct. It also didn't need a conscious designer for it to exist.

So now you are back tracking and insinuating it is correct to believe the universe actually is organized, mathematically rational, governed by universal principles expressed as the pure logic of math.

Good, so I was right these last six months.

Now, explain to me if it is logical to infer that the best explanation for the rational, lawful, logical is that it was somehow caused by the irrational, inanimate, and immaterial.