Nationwide Measles Surge

[Diogenes]

And we are talking about comparing the USA to South Africa.

Who's we?

Immigrants have a higher vaccination rate than American born.

Who told you that?

It has so far hit red areas of the country hardest, and will almost certainly continue to hit red areas of the country hardest.

I'm pretty sure Pennsylvania is a Blue state, Walt.

 

[Walt]

I'm pretty sure Pennsylvania is a Blue state, Walt.

It is a heavily divided state. trump did much better in Lancaster County has only once gone for a Democrat, in 1964. trump has won Lancaster County three times in a row. trump did better in Lancaster County than he did in Kansas.

 

[Diogenes]

It is a heavily divided state. trump did much better in Lancaster County has only once gone for a Democrat, in 1964. trump has won Lancaster County three times in a row. trump did better in Lancaster County than he did in Kansas.

It is a state with A Democrat governor, a Democrat state Supreme Court, and a Democrat-dominated state House.

The presidential writ does not govern the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

 

[Walt]

It is a state with A Democrat governor, a Democrat state Supreme Court, and a Democrat-dominated state House.

The State Senate is 54% Republican, and the State 51% Democratic. To get anything passed requires Republican support. That has allowed counties like Lancaster to stray far from reasonable.

 

[Diogenes]

The State Senate is 54% Republican, and the State 51% Democratic. To get anything passed requires Republican support.

Maybe you didn't know this, Walt, but Republicans don't vote as a monolithic bloc.

That has allowed counties like Lancaster to stray far from reasonable.

Walt’s latest is the usual move: take a divided-government fact and turn it into “Republicans let Lancaster go feral.”

Pennsylvania has allowed medical, religious, and philosophical/moral-conviction exemptions from school immunization requirements for years. That statute is not something the current Senate majority invented last session. Amish and Old Order Mennonite communities in Lancaster have had lower uptake for decades because of religious practice and a preference for homeschooling or private schools—not because a 27–23 Senate blocked a bill in 2025.

 

[Into the Night]

Why were the left president when trump was president?

Trump is not a Democrat, Wally. He didn't shut down any schools either.

 

[Into the Night]

He was pretending only blue states shut down

Pretending instead of fact respecting

It’s what republicans have done all my life

Go learn what 'fact' means, Stooge.

 

[Into the Night]

Please face the fact that all 50 states closed things down

Not just Democratic Party members

Democrats in all 48 States and the SDTC and SOTNY closed things down, Stooge.

 

[Into the Night]

@zymurgy is not mentally well. He is under the influence of a cult leader.

What 'cult leader', Pretender? Do you know what 'cult' means?

 

[Into the Night]

Yes shit Stain as WE SAID, Kennedy engages in a dangerous misinformation game where he spins one story one day and the exact opposite the next knowing that is how you create doubt and confusion and hesitency.

IT'S VERY DELIBERATE.

Link?

 

[Into the Night]

No we do not eschew Trump, Trump heads that anti science, anti education anti facts and data sector of America.He cannot be ignored.

Trump is not a Democrat, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

They were paroled,

They were not paroled, Wally. They were not in jail.

so the government knows exactly how many.

Nope. The count crossing the border is a minimal one. Far more than were counted entered the country illegally, Wally.

They were identified, and their health was checked. That means they were vaccinated.

None of them were checked OR vaccinated, Wally.

Measles is constantly reentering the USA through legal means, which is why we should have a strong vaccination program. There was a time when all of the Americas had strong vaccination programs, but Team Epstein put an end to that.

Measles never left the USA, Wally.
You are correct that Democrats put an end to vaccinations against measles for awhile.

 

[Into the Night]

They keep saying they are not anti-vaccine, but merely "vaccine skeptics." To keep up herd immunity, we need almost everyone on board, and they are causing a significant number not to be on board. This is a disaster in the making. Tens of thousands of children will die because of Kennedy. And his supporters are demanding we all support him in this disaster.

There is no disaster, Wally. I know you want one though.

 

[Into the Night]

A unified message with trump administration would water down the response. Would a unified message be that MMR vaccines are dangerous? Yes, basically.

MMR is not a vaccine, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

This is where we are. We know that measles often causes spleen ruptures, but the Republican coroner claims that it is just a coincidence that the baby had both the measles and a spleen rupture. The Republican coroner claimed the spleen was not enlarged, but other doctors said that a spleen ruptures because it is enlarged, so that is nonsense. The Republican coroner explained that the spleen looked normal enlarged, not measles enlarged, which no one else thinks is a possible distinction.

Is it possible that one of the people who died in the WTC on 9/11 died of a heart attack he would have died from even if the building was not hit? Yes, but I do not see how it is helpful to debate that. Likewise, I do not see how it is helpful for Shapiro to debate every attempt by Team Epstein to say measles is really not that bad.

Measles does not cause spleen rupture, Wally.
Democrats ARE trying to say it's the new 'Covid Disaster'. It's not gonna work, Wally.

You are rewriting what happened. The border is incredibly secure these days. The immigrants that Team Epstein calls illegal are not fully crossing the border.

Paradox. Which is it, Dude?

They are taking a few steps across the border, and looking for a border guard to apply for asylum with. They then are paroled.

The border has been secured by Trump and the border patrol, Wally. Illegal aliens are not 'paroled'. They are immediately subject to deportation.

That means there is a count of them.

There was no count of them, Wally.

There are certainly not millions crossing the border without being paroled.

Yes there were, Wally.

As part of getting paroled, they have to prove vaccination. It is part of the normal medical checks.

No parole, Wally. No vaccination. No checks.

 

[Into the Night]

Vaccination rates are dropping fast, so measles will shoot up suddenly. Right now we are barely better than South Africa, but soon we will be far worse.

It is a disgrace.

Argument from randU fallacies. Random numbers are not data, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

They have had centuries to get that bad, and we have only been on the current course for a few years. The replacement rate for human beings is very slow.

And we are talking about comparing the USA to South Africa.


Immigrants have a higher vaccination rate than American born. It has so far hit red areas of the country hardest, and will almost certainly continue to hit red areas of the country hardest.

Illegal immigrants were not vaccinated, Wally. Diseases like bubonic plague, cholera, typhoid, tuberculosis, hepatitus, AIDS, trench foot, and cellulitis are most prevalent in California and New York, Wally.

 

[Walt]

MMR is not a vaccine, Wally.

The MMR vaccines are three vaccines against measles, mumps, and rubella given in two shots. It is a vaccine, or more exactly, three vaccines.

I think it says everything about the "debate" we are having in America that you would argue the MMR vaccines are not vaccines.

 

[Into the Night]

The MMR vaccines are three vaccines against measles, mumps, and rubella given in two shots. It is a vaccine, or more exactly, three vaccines.

I think it says everything about the "debate" we are having in America that you would argue the MMR vaccines are not vaccines.

MMR is not a vaccine, Wally.

 

[Walt]

MMR is not a vaccine, Wally.

Have you confused the MMR vaccines with mRNA vaccines? Or are you trying to change the subject by saying MMR is not a vaccine, because it is the diseases that are prevented by the MMR vaccines? Why do you say "MMR is not a vaccine"?