AI Conscious?

[ThatOwlWoman]

Still trying to get rid of me...and I am still trying to get you to continue.

TELLS YOU WHO IS PREVAILING IN THIS DISCUSSION.

The OP seems much more interested in bickering with his betters than he does sticking to discussion of his topic.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Cmon sweetie. It’s your mom you’re talking about. Stop

your main thing is how dumb you are thinking AI is sentient.

you could be mentally dominated by a toaster, tis true.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I suspect I do. How about you?

I don't know if I do or not. I also don't know why I would want one.

I've cared for (as a health care provider) people who were essentially "vegetables." No recognition of loved ones or familiar people, no ability to communicate anything other than fear or discomfort, no sign that anyone's home. Without higher functioning, do people in this condition have souls? Why do we continue to care for them until death comes and would do so even if it wasn't our paycheck? Do we believe that even when comatose, they have value? Is that value their soul, their spirit? Is it their humanity?

IMO this is what makes us different from most other living beings we share the planet with -- our compassion and willingness to care for those who aren't our family, who can offer nothing to our community. Do we do this because of souls?

 

[Jerry Mathers]

I don't know if I do or not. I also don't know why I would want one.

I've cared for (as a health care provider) people who were essentially "vegetables." No recognition of loved ones or familiar people, no ability to communicate anything other than fear or discomfort, no sign that anyone's home. Without higher functioning, do people in this condition have souls? Why do we continue to care for them until death comes and would do so even if it wasn't our paycheck? Do we believe that even when comatose, they have value? Is that value their soul, their spirit? Is it their humanity?

IMO this is what makes us different from most other living beings we share the planet with -- our compassion and willingness to care for those who aren't our family, who can offer nothing to our community. Do we do this because of souls?

yes,

you are a soulless banshee.

you murdering dunces have ended feminism this month.

congratulations, you earned it.

 

[Valentino]

Yup. That is your blind guess...that you have a soul.

Nothing wrong with that. AND...you may be correct...

...which is a perfectly proper way to say, "You may be incorrect."

Better, in my opinion, to just say, "I do not know."

How to Recognize People Without a Soul – Dolores Cannon Explains the 5 Traits to Watch For

 

[Valentino]

 

[Crepitus]

So why do you believe whatever bullshit you believe? Do you believe in magical invisible beings in the sky? Why?

So why laugh when someone has actually THOUGHT about the issue and realized they DON'T believe in invisible magical people in the sky like you do?

Genuinely weird.

I am an atheist. Just look at the rest of my posts in this thread.

 

[IBDaMann]

In fact, you are making a blind guess...and insisting the blind guess is correct because you lack enough character and the ethical wherewithal to discuss this issue reasonably.

Oh, the irony. Your self-projection is noted.

It kinda is MY blind guess also, but I have the ethical structure to acknowledge that it is a blind guess.

... except when it isn't. You should learn basic logic.

Your bullshit runs deep. Great. I love when I am dealing with someone like you.

Your booooooolsch't runs deep; it's why I so thoroughly enjoyed raking you over the coals, and forcing you to flee to the hills.

Yeah, as Richard Feynman often said, "Knowing the name of something is not knowing that thing"...but I suppose if he were alive and participating here, he would agree.

Dishonest leftists never tire of pretending to speak for dead people who cannot be scrutinized under cross-examination.

I thought you just suggested that no one knows anything.

Did he state that, or are you once again totally mischaracterizing your opponent's position so that you can pretend to "attack" something.

Were you just being careless with you language...with your wording?

So many questions just to avoid revealing your own contradictions.

Not a smart thing to do in a discussion with me.

There is no such thing as a discussion with you.

 

[IBDaMann]

I took statistics three times in College

If at first you don't succeed, try sociology as a major.

as part of my economics requirement.

... then you have no reason to believe in Global Warming.

As for your use of science...I have yet to see it.

In all fairness, you wouldn't recognize science if it were marching by in the "All Science Parade"

None of which leads to a supposition of "there is no soul."

Have you considered that one does not have to make an affirmative argument that "there is no soul" in order to reject the affirmative argument "there is a soul"? Might you be misconstruing "NOT there is a soul" with "There is NOT a soul"? You never could get it right with atheism. No rational adult would have any reason to suspect that you would somehow be able to get it right now all of a sudden.

You are not especially adept at insult, Asshole. Best you stick with that "science."

Your insults are lame. But...if it pleases you, continue to make a fool of yourself.

You...name dropping? C'mon.

Like dropping the name Richard Feynman? C'mon.

I have always owned you; I'm why you cower behind someone else's knee. You should not have bit off more than you can chew.

 

[Into the Night]

your main thing is how dumb you are thinking AI is sentient.

you could be mentally dominated by a toaster, tis true.

The toaster routinely beat the shipboard computer at chess in Red Dwarf.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't know if I do or not. I also don't know why I would want one.

I've cared for (as a health care provider) people who were essentially "vegetables." No recognition of loved ones or familiar people, no ability to communicate anything other than fear or discomfort, no sign that anyone's home. Without higher functioning, do people in this condition have souls? Why do we continue to care for them until death comes and would do so even if it wasn't our paycheck? Do we believe that even when comatose, they have value? Is that value their soul, their spirit? Is it their humanity?

IMO this is what makes us different from most other living beings we share the planet with -- our compassion and willingness to care for those who aren't our family, who can offer nothing to our community. Do we do this because of souls?

You do not care for anyone. That's obvious.

 

[Into the Night]

I am an atheist. Just look at the rest of my posts in this thread.

You are not an atheist.
You belong to the Church of No God, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Hate, etc.

 

[Into the Night]

In all fairness, you wouldn't recognize science if it were marching by in the "All Science Parade"

Now there's a thought...an All Science Parade.

 

[Crepitus]

You are not an atheist.
You belong to the Church of No God, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Hate, etc.

Those things don't exist outside of RWNJ lalaland, Larry.

 

[murph63]

I am an atheist. Just look at the rest of my posts in this thread.

So why do you laugh when I point out that there is no evidence for the soul?

Genuinely curious. Also, nota bene, that when I say I've done the study that is informal. I'm not writing a fucking science paper (I'm already published in actual science journals in actual physical science), so let's drop that silliness.

But a lifetime of observation leads me to easily FAIL TO REJECT THE NULL HYPOTHESIS that there is no soul.


No explain why you think it is funny to doubt a soul when you, yourself, are an atheist.

 

[Crepitus]

So why do you laugh when I point out that there is no evidence for the soul?

Genuinely curious. Also, nota bene, that when I say I've done the study that is informal. I'm not writing a fucking science paper (I'm already published in actual science journals in actual physical science), so let's drop that silliness.

But a lifetime of observation leads me to easily FAIL TO REJECT THE NULL HYPOTHESIS that there is no soul.


No explain why you think it is funny to doubt a soul when you, yourself, are an atheist.

I confused you with someone else. I apologize.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

So why do you laugh when I point out that there is no evidence for the soul?

Genuinely curious. Also, nota bene, that when I say I've done the study that is informal. I'm not writing a fucking science paper (I'm already published in actual science journals in actual physical science), so let's drop that silliness.

But a lifetime of observation leads me to easily FAIL TO REJECT THE NULL HYPOTHESIS that there is no soul.


No explain why you think it is funny to doubt a soul when you, yourself, are an atheist.

the value of religion is in transmitting some kind of moral guidelines.

the golden rule is the most important part of Jesus teaching, and its not even supernatural. its common sense.

morality is ultimately rational and that is the value of religion.

 

[IBDaMann]

Those things don't exist outside of RWNJ lalaland, Larry.

What denial on your part! You are one of the very few people I have encountered who can point to something and deny that it exists.

 

[Yakuda]

What denial on your part! You are one of the very few people I have encountered who can point to something and deny that it exists.

All the lefist shit stains here are highly trained in that "skill".

 

[IBDaMann]

So why do you laugh when I point out that there is no evidence for the soul?

He laughs because he isn't smart enough to understand what you are saying. You write that there is no evidence for a soul and he responds to something you never said. That's how it works with @Crepitus.

Also, nota bene, that when I say I've done the study that is informal. I'm not writing a fucking science paper (I'm already published in actual science journals in actual physical science), so let's drop that silliness.

This, however, is stupid on your part. No study is science. People who claim to be published in "science journals" don't even know what science is. If you write an article for a journal that details your research, then you have published research, not science.

But a lifetime of observation leads me to easily FAIL TO REJECT THE NULL HYPOTHESIS that there is no soul.

This statement is gibberish. There is no such thing as an unfalsifiable null hypothesis that can somehow be falsified under the scientific method; it wouldn't be unfalsifiable then, now would it?

If you are instead saying that you simply reject the unfalsifiable assertion that there is no such thing as a soul, then your "lifetime of observation" has nothing to do with it; all who assert that there is no soul similarly have lifetimes of observation.

If you affirmatively believe in the unfalsifiable "human soul" then just say that.