Each of the links documented that Ice lied, the last thing Ice is doing is arresting the “worst of the worst,” so, the point, why would anyone believe Ice when they said they arrested whatever number of anything, like all associated with Trump, they lie
Is that so, Anchovies?
They don’t prove the claim he thinks they prove.
Anchovies’ actual claim (post #2) is two pieces glued together:
- DHS says ICE arrested 2,150 known or suspected terrorists (KSTs) and deported 2,015 since Jan. 20, 2025.
- That same DHS said it only arrests the “worst of the worst,” but overall ICE stats show most arrestees are not U.S. criminal convicts — therefore the terrorist number is not to be believed.
The links in post #26 only speak to piece 2. They say nothing useful about piece 1.
What the linked items actually show
Those sources are about
ICE arrests as a whole, not about the KST subset:
- Cato (Nov 2025): of people booked into ICE custody that fiscal year, 73% had no U.S. criminal conviction; only 5% had a violent conviction.
- CBS (Aug 2026): July 2026 was the first month of the term in which people with only civil immigration violations were more than half of ICE arrests; violent convictions ~4–6% of book-ins.
- CU Boulder / PNAS-style analysis: about 1 in 3 ICE arrests in the first 14 months of the second term had a U.S. criminal conviction.
- TRAC / Congress PDF: same category — overall ICE/ERO criminality mix.
That is a real debate about
priority and rhetoric: “worst of the worst” as a description of the
entire arrest pool is oversold if most people taken in have no U.S. conviction.
It is
not evidence that the 2,150 KST figure is fake.
Why the leap fails
KSTs and “people with a U.S. criminal conviction” are different buckets.
- KST is a watchlist / intelligence designation (TSC / NCTC / DHS): known membership in a designated FTO, association, plotting, or “reasonable suspicion” under the watchlisting standard. Many of those people have no U.S. rap sheet. DHS said exactly that to CBS: people counted as “non-criminals” can still be terrorists, human-rights abusers, or gang members with no U.S. conviction.
- 2,150 KSTs is a tiny slice of total ICE activity (hundreds of thousands of arrests). You can have a majority non-convict arrest pool and still arrest 2,150 people who are on the terrorist watchlist. Those two facts do not cancel each other.
- DHS’s own release (Sept. 10, 2026) gives named examples in that count: alleged UFC plot ringleader; Brazilian commander of PCC and Comando Vermelho (both designated FTOs); Tren de Aragua members convicted in a Bronx double murder. Those are not “housewives and construction workers.” They also don’t have to be a majority of all ICE arrests for the KST count to be internally consistent.
So the links support:
ICE is not running a program composed mostly of violent U.S. convicts.
They do
not support:
therefore ICE did not arrest ~2,150 KSTs.
That’s a category error — using the composition of the whole pile to deny a labeled subset.
What would actually test the KST claim
- Independent count from TSC / NCTC / ICE ERO of watchlist encounters and removals for that date range
- How many of the 2,150 are “known” vs “suspected,” and on what standard
- Comparison to prior administrations’ KST encounter/removal numbers for the same period length
- Whether “deported” means physically removed or includes orders not yet executed
None of Anchovies’ links do that. They change the subject from “are these 2,150 KSTs real?” to “is ICE’s overall caseload mostly violent criminals?” — a fair question, but not the one he said they answer.
Anchovies thinks these linked items (https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/dhs-has-deported-over
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