DNCNN?

There are a few things in life we can count on, water will be wet, fire will be hot, and CNN will faithfully serve the interests of the democrat party.

CNN has long been owned by Warner Bros. - Discovery. The "merger" of Warner Brothers by Discovery pushed the WB network hard to the left. Now WB-Discovery is subject to the same sort of "merger" by Paramount. Paramount - Skydance is effectively acquiring the WB.

This has caused panic on the left for several reasons. Paramount is parent to CBS. CBS recently moved it's news division closer to the center under the guidance of Bari Weiss. What will this mean for the mouthpiece of the democrat party that is CNN?

Paramount chairman and CEO David Ellison cozied up to Taylor Sheridan and brought a plethora of hit shows to the network, including "Yellowstone" and most recently, "Lioness," among a host of others. What is telling of these shows is not just the overwhelming success, but also the tone that is decidedly center-right. For decades television has aired dramas that present the left as good, if sometime naive, and the right as overtly evil. The Sheridan shows break this mold and especially in the case of "Lioness" savage sacred cows of the left such as U.S. Aid and involvement in Ukraine and military action in Iran.

Analysts predict that under Ellison, up to 60% of CNN staff and personalities will be replaced or cut outright. The push will be away from cheerleading for the DNC and savaging Trump to factual reporting.

Reporting facts rather than propaganda is a paradigm shift for CNN that the left is unprepared for. The reactions of "content" providers has been extreme.

Seems CNN is facing some serious financial problems.
Elon Musk might pick it up and clean up the place.

Twitter->X again? :thumbsup:
 
Another one who doesn’t understand infotainment

CNN does what it does, Fox does what it does, all infotainment does what it does, because that is what their viewers want to see, the channels are molded to give their audience what it wants to confirm what they believe is true. The thread is all celebratory thinking CNN will turn right, but if they do, tney lose their current viewership, you telling us to replace the current audience Fox viewers are then going to flip over to the new CNN?
If there was a news station that rose above the level of CNN then you might have a point, but what "news" channel are you gonna hang your hat on?

ABC? NBC? CBS? NPR? WashPo? NYT?

Pick your poison, dummy.
 
Its amazing how easily the left is triggered. They really believe they should be completely unchallenged and should be free to say whatever the hell they please and we should all just sit down and shut the fuck up. Maybe people are finally waking up
Oh, they have.
People now generally recognize the bullshit of the Church of the Ozone Hole.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Green.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Global Warming.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of the EV.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Covid.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Hate.

I regularly travel across this great nation. I talk to people. They are tired of the Democrat bullshit. These people love their families, love and support each other and their communities, support the law and law enforcement, fly the flag proudly, sing the National Anthem proudly (some with tears of joy in their eyes!), and support this great nation of the People of the United States of America.

Only in cities do I see whiny supporters of Democrats, and they are fewer than their loud volume indicates; like a blaring trumpet, no music.

The election fraud by Democrats must be dealt with, one way or another. It has gone on for too many decades.
 
Seems CNN is facing some serious financial problems.
Elon Musk might pick it up and clean up the place.

Twitter->X again? :thumbsup:
A far better option is to just let the lights go out.

CNN deserves the most ignominious demise ever... They need to just silently slither down into the sewer where their eager fanbase awaits, mouths agape.
 
CNN is an anachronism.

I do not expect great change which would be required to be called a legitimate news source with legitimate journalists and journalism.

One can only hope.
Hope can be a good thing. CNN is in financial trouble. If Elon Musk buys it and cleans it up, who knows?

CNN, however, is also suffering from the same problems as cable in general is suffering from. More and more people are cutting the cableTV entirely.

Cable is so 'yesterday'.
 
If there was a news station that rose above the level of CNN then you might have a point, but what "news" channel are you gonna hang your hat on?

ABC? NBC? CBS? NPR? WashPo? NYT?

Pick your poison, dummy.
Network news if you are looking for the day’s news, otherwise, read, read an array of sources to form your own opinion rather than being fed an opinion via infotainment
 
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Network news if you are looking for the day’s news, otherwise, read, read an array of sources to form your own opinion rather than being fed an opinion via infotainment
That's exactly the noncommittal answer I expected from a leftist.

So I challenge you then, anchovies: find me an example - from the past ten years - of a major news story where CNN's narrative differed even slightly from that of one of your legacy media outlets....
 
That's exactly the noncommittal answer I expected from a leftist.

So I challenge you then, anchovies: find me an example - from the past ten years - of a major news story where CNN's narrative differed even slightly from that of one of your legacy media outlets....
You asked for an example and I gave it to you

I have never watched CNN that much to do a comparison, nor any infotainment, but I would attest even CNN was critical of Biden at times during his Presidency. And did you ever take time to consider the reason they might not varying that much is because they are reporting the facts
 
Oh, they have.
People now generally recognize the bullshit of the Church of the Ozone Hole.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Green.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Global Warming.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of the EV.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Covid.
They recognize the bullshit of the Church of Hate.

I regularly travel across this great nation. I talk to people. They are tired of the Democrat bullshit. These people love their families, love and support each other and their communities, support the law and law enforcement, fly the flag proudly, sing the National Anthem proudly (some with tears of joy in their eyes!), and support this great nation of the People of the United States of America.

Only in cities do I see whiny supporters of Democrats, and they are fewer than their loud volume indicates; like a blaring trumpet, no music.

The election fraud by Democrats must be dealt with, one way or another. It has gone on for too many decades.

Because the AGW idiocy has collapsed - the Communists have pivoted to AI - using the same absurd fear mongering and failed predictions.

The Marxist need an apocalypse. As one fraud is debunked, they create another.
 
You asked for an example and I gave it to you
WTF are you talking about?

That is your reply to my question. You can't just answer a question with: "I gave you your answer already".
I have never watched CNN that much to do a comparison, nor any infotainment, but I would attest even CNN was critical of Biden at times during his Presidency.
Critical of Biden :ROFLMAO:

Biden was a stuttering, shambling dementia victim for years while CNN pretended that he was sharp as a tack. They even tried to maintain the illusion after the debate debacle but too many people saw it, and the toothpaste couldn't go back into the tube.

CNN even pretended that the Afghan withdrawal was a smashing success, despite the fact that it was only a smash in the face. America scrambled out of Afghanistan with a bunch of dead soldiers, while leaving equipment, allies, and Afghan aides to fend for themselves.

Kindergarteners running away from a tiger would have been more orderly.

Biden: "No inflation."

CNN: "Nope. No inflation."

Reality: "9.3% from last year, but sure, let's start measuring inflation month-by-month now so that we can keep using single digits."
And did you ever take time to consider the reason they might not varying that much is because they are reporting the facts
That would make perfect sense, but CNN never told the truth about anything.

Who says "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests?" How does that make sense?

Why were they saying "gentle giant" for MONTHS after we saw a video of M Brown committing a violent robbery moments before he was shot?

Who the fuck thinks that Kamala Harris is more of a "serious presidential candidate" than a "goofy slut"?

Who thinks that Russian collusion can simultaneously be "a big nothingburger" and "a legitimate investigation" at the same time? The story about the meeting with that Russian lawyer was a farce. Trump's team had every right to listen to that woman describe Hillary's crimes, and the woman didn't name any, so they concluded the meeting.

There was never any "evidence of Russian collusion". The FBI admitted to it at the end, but every weekend CNN promised "NEW BOMBSHELL EVIDENCE!!!"

There were never "13 Trump associate convicted of collusion". There were a bunch of Trump associates "indicted" for collusion, and for a bunch of other things, but the collusion-related charges provided ZERO guilty verdicts. An organization as crooked as the FBI was at that point can throw down hundreds of indictments and it means nothing when they end up with ZERO guilty verdicts.

CNN completely omitted the entire story about FBI lies and crimes. The only actual collusion-related verdict was against Kevin Clinesmith for altering evidence and providing it to a judge. You and I would both go to jail for that but Clinesmith received no penalty for it. He wasn't sent to jail, he didn't even get disbarred.

There is no evidence that Trump raped EJ Caroll. There's Caroll's farcical "I can't name a year" story, and her friends repeating her story, and that's it. No one ever should have said that Trump raoed E J Caroll. If you read her book excerpt she tells the story of a complete non-rape.


Tell me how CNN's lies differed from what was said on NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, etc...? They were all liars. Everything I mentioned up there is a legitimate criticism of MSM and CNN intentionally lying or omitting, which is a serious form of lying.
 
Because the AGW idiocy has collapsed - the Communists have pivoted to AI - using the same absurd fear mongering and failed predictions.
Oh, there's a few hardcore Church of Global Warming believers trying to keep the light on for the 'good old days'. The communists have pivoted to the Church of Hate. They use 'AI' (it really isn't AI), as a Holy Oracle, similar to they way they used Google. That's just a means to Step 1 and 2.

They actually think Google or 'AI' software is sentient and infallible. As with Google, they try to use it as a proof.

The Marxist need an apocalypse. As one fraud is debunked, they create another.
You saw my program for a Democrat. You are exactly right. They must repeat back to step 1.
 
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WTF are you talking about?

That is your reply to my question. You can't just answer a question with: "I gave you your answer already".

Critical of Biden :ROFLMAO:

Biden was a stuttering, shambling dementia victim for years while CNN pretended that he was sharp as a tack. They even tried to maintain the illusion after the debate debacle but too many people saw it, and the toothpaste couldn't go back into the tube.
They TRIED to put it back in the tube, it only made the mess worse. I still like the excuse they gave when Biden fell on the aircraft stairs. They said the wind blew him over!
CNN even pretended that the Afghan withdrawal was a smashing success, despite the fact that it was only a smash in the face. America scrambled out of Afghanistan with a bunch of dead soldiers, while leaving equipment, allies, and Afghan aides to fend for themselves.
One of Biden's acts of treason. He gave weapons and supplies to the enemy, and killed our soldiers doing it.
Kindergarteners running away from a tiger would have been more orderly.

Biden: "No inflation."

CNN: "Nope. No inflation."
During the economic depression of Biden/Obama, the dollar was devalued by 34%. That depression lasted five years.

Reality: "9.3% from last year, but sure, let's start measuring inflation month-by-month now so that we can keep using single digits."

That would make perfect sense, but CNN never told the truth about anything.

Who says "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests?" How does that make sense?
It doesn't, obviously.
Why were they saying "gentle giant" for MONTHS after we saw a video of M Brown committing a violent robbery moments before he was shot?
Because they support violence and criminal activity.
Who the fuck thinks that Kamala Harris is more of a "serious presidential candidate" than a "goofy slut"?
CNN.
Who thinks that Russian collusion can simultaneously be "a big nothingburger" and "a legitimate investigation" at the same time? The story about the meeting with that Russian lawyer was a farce. Trump's team had every right to listen to that woman describe Hillary's crimes, and the woman didn't name any, so they concluded the meeting.

There was never any "evidence of Russian collusion". The FBI admitted to it at the end, but every weekend CNN promised "NEW BOMBSHELL EVIDENCE!!!"
Yup.
There were never "13 Trump associate convicted of collusion". There were a bunch of Trump associates "indicted" for collusion, and for a bunch of other things, but the collusion-related charges provided ZERO guilty verdicts. An organization as crooked as the FBI was at that point can throw down hundreds of indictments and it means nothing when they end up with ZERO guilty verdicts.
Democrat lawfare again.
CNN completely omitted the entire story about FBI lies and crimes. The only actual collusion-related verdict was against Kevin Clinesmith for altering evidence and providing it to a judge. You and I would both go to jail for that but Clinesmith received no penalty for it. He wasn't sent to jail, he didn't even get disbarred.
Because Democrats support criminal activity.
There is no evidence that Trump raped EJ Caroll. There's Caroll's farcical "I can't name a year" story, and her friends repeating her story, and that's it. No one ever should have said that Trump raoed E J Caroll. If you read her book excerpt she tells the story of a complete non-rape.
Just Democrats making shit up again.
Tell me how CNN's lies differed from what was said on NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, etc...?
Not much. They are all the same losers.
They were all liars. Everything I mentioned up there is a legitimate criticism of MSM and CNN intentionally lying or omitting, which is a serious form of lying.
Omission like this is lying also. (lying by ommission).
There is also lying by synthesis (making shit up), and lying by denial (denying history, science, mathematics, their own posts, etc)
 
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Oh, there's a few hardcore Church of Global Warming believers trying to keep the light on for the 'good old days'. The communists have pivoted to the Church of Hate. They use 'AI' (it really isn't AI), as a Holy Oracle, similar to they way they used Google. That's just a means to Step 1 and 2.

They actually think Google or 'AI' software is sentient and infallible. As with Google, they try to use it as a proof.

The big anti-AI push by the democrats, the Communists is to try and retard American progress so China can catch up. The problem they have is hitting "pause" as they demand wouldn't let China take the lead, America has to make innovations so China can steal them and create copies.

You saw my program for a Democrat. You are exactly right. They must repeat back to step 1.

Yep.
 
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The big anti-AI push by the democrats, the Communists is to try and retard American progress so China can catch up. The problem they have is hitting "pause" as they demand wouldn't let China take the lead, America has to make innovations so China can steal them and create copies.



Yep.
Anyone can copy ChatGPT. It is open source.

This is useful, since you can then run the thing offline, giving you lexical and cognitive speech analysis.

Automated closed caption systems on TV stations work this way.
It has been used in industrial control systems that have no internet available.

If someone in China or the Chinese government wants a copy...Meh.

They won't be able to 'take the lead'. It's just the same code. The only thing that really changes is if you run a closed automated learning loop pass to improve the analysis.

In China, that means better analysis of one of the Chinese languages. That's about it.

The cognitive pass is just nothing more than spidering the internet. In other words, all 'AI' is nothing more than a summary of all the crap that's out on the internet. That's why it makes so many mistakes.

It is most useful to assist in technical issues, such as examples for writing code.

Like Wikipedia. Once you get out of code examples, it gets worse and worse and outright wrong about many subjects.

For example: All 'AI' programs will assume that Global Warming is taking place, even though the religion routinely violates theories of science and violates mathematics. It's just the junk on the internet, correlated and presented in a conversational way.

China will get no 'lead ahead of America' with that!

Democrats tend to be paranoid. They think movies are real life. They've seen the Terminator movies and live in fear of what they don't understand. It turns out they don't understand quite a lot.

You should now understand why treating 'AI' as a Holy Oracle, or treating it as a proof or Life Guide in any way is not a good idea.
 
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WTF are you talking about?

That is your reply to my question. You can't just answer a question with: "I gave you your answer already".

Critical of Biden :ROFLMAO:

Biden was a stuttering, shambling dementia victim for years while CNN pretended that he was sharp as a tack. They even tried to maintain the illusion after the debate debacle but too many people saw it, and the toothpaste couldn't go back into the tube.

CNN even pretended that the Afghan withdrawal was a smashing success, despite the fact that it was only a smash in the face. America scrambled out of Afghanistan with a bunch of dead soldiers, while leaving equipment, allies, and Afghan aides to fend for themselves.

Kindergarteners running away from a tiger would have been more orderly.

Biden: "No inflation."

CNN: "Nope. No inflation."

Reality: "9.3% from last year, but sure, let's start measuring inflation month-by-month now so that we can keep using single digits."

That would make perfect sense, but CNN never told the truth about anything.

Who says "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests?" How does that make sense?

Why were they saying "gentle giant" for MONTHS after we saw a video of M Brown committing a violent robbery moments before he was shot?

Who the fuck thinks that Kamala Harris is more of a "serious presidential candidate" than a "goofy slut"?

Who thinks that Russian collusion can simultaneously be "a big nothingburger" and "a legitimate investigation" at the same time? The story about the meeting with that Russian lawyer was a farce. Trump's team had every right to listen to that woman describe Hillary's crimes, and the woman didn't name any, so they concluded the meeting.

There was never any "evidence of Russian collusion". The FBI admitted to it at the end, but every weekend CNN promised "NEW BOMBSHELL EVIDENCE!!!"

There were never "13 Trump associate convicted of collusion". There were a bunch of Trump associates "indicted" for collusion, and for a bunch of other things, but the collusion-related charges provided ZERO guilty verdicts. An organization as crooked as the FBI was at that point can throw down hundreds of indictments and it means nothing when they end up with ZERO guilty verdicts.

CNN completely omitted the entire story about FBI lies and crimes. The only actual collusion-related verdict was against Kevin Clinesmith for altering evidence and providing it to a judge. You and I would both go to jail for that but Clinesmith received no penalty for it. He wasn't sent to jail, he didn't even get disbarred.

There is no evidence that Trump raped EJ Caroll. There's Caroll's farcical "I can't name a year" story, and her friends repeating her story, and that's it. No one ever should have said that Trump raoed E J Caroll. If you read her book excerpt she tells the story of a complete non-rape.


Tell me how CNN's lies differed from what was said on NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, etc...? They were all liars. Everything I mentioned up there is a legitimate criticism of MSM and CNN intentionally lying or omitting, which is a serious form of lying.
Yes, you asked and I gave you an answer:

You asked,”I'd love for you to try to find a realistic criticism of Trump that conservatives would object to”
To which my reply was “a realistic criticism of Trump that conservatives would object to? Sure plenty, for beginners let’s start with Trump pimping the Office of the Presidency to personally rake in billions”


As far as CNN never attacking Biden, you are wrong again:


Plenty more if you need more


And after all your AM talk radio rhetoric, you still haven’t explained if the Trump campaign and the Russians weren’t working together why did the top level of Trump’s campaign, Paul, Junior, and Jared, eagerly meet with Russians in Trump Tower?
 
Anyone can copy ChatGPT. It is open source.

This is useful, since you can then run the thing offline, giving you lexical and cognitive speech analysis.

IF you have the compute power. You need a pretty solid GPU cluster to pull it off.

Automated closed caption systems on TV stations work this way.
It has been used in industrial control systems that have no internet available.

If someone in China or the Chinese government wants a copy...Meh.

They won't be able to 'take the lead'. It's just the same code. The only thing that really changes is if you run a closed automated learning loop pass to improve the analysis.

In China, that means better analysis of one of the Chinese languages. That's about it.

The cognitive pass is just nothing more than spidering the internet. In other words, all 'AI' is nothing more than a summary of all the crap that's out on the internet. That's why it makes so many mistakes.'

In our use here on JPP - that's true. But in wider use "machine learning" (a horrible misnomer) expands decision tree logic at an astounding rate. I was a Microsoft MVP for Transact SQL. But Claud is better at coding than I am at this point. Claud can't conceptualize, can't apply software solutions to real world problems. But once defined, can write the code.

It is most useful to assist in technical issues, such as examples for writing code.

Agreed.

Like Wikipedia. Once you get out of code examples, it gets worse and worse and outright wrong about many subjects.

As noted by both you and I, when it comes to research, AI is merely an aggregator of web sources. It can and will only reflect what various sites claim.

For example: All 'AI' programs will assume that Global Warming is taking place, even though the religion routinely violates theories of science and violates mathematics. It's just the junk on the internet, correlated and presented in a conversational way.

Again, it is based on current prevalent web presence. As the web catches up to the reality that AGW has effectively been debunked, AI will reflect that reality.

China will get no 'lead ahead of America' with that!

China develops virtually nothing. They steal and copy from America. From their faux F-35 to their Aircraft Carrier knock offs, to the M5 chips from Apple.

But they can't touch Nvidia, so they don't have the hardware compute power to compete. Nvidia famously will not manufacture in China, and is more thorough than the CIA with background checks, utterly thwarting Chinese attempts to steal their technology.

Democrats tend to be paranoid. They think movies are real life. They've seen the Terminator movies and live in fear of what they don't understand. It turns out they don't understand quite a lot.

Yep, that pretty much describes it.

You should now understand why treating 'AI' as a Holy Oracle, or treating it as a proof or Life Guide in any way is not a good idea.

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AI is software. It will never be more than software. It's useful, but it will never take over the world, much less endanger humanity. The "good or bad" of AI is purely based on who is using it.

Software does not, will not, and can not have intent.
 
IF you have the compute power. You need a pretty solid GPU cluster to pull it off.
Nope. It can be done with any reasonably modern CPU, even an ARM chip.
In our use here on JPP - that's true.
It is true for all online 'AI'. It's just the garbage on the internet put into a conversational form.
But in wider use "machine learning" (a horrible misnomer) expands decision tree logic at an astounding rate.
'AI' programs such as ChatGPT, Grok, or GoogleAI, are not learning anything. Their learning loop is disconnected, other than lexical analysis.
They are just glorified versions of the old Dr Psycho game.

I was a Microsoft MVP for Transact SQL. But Claud is better at coding than I am at this point. Claud can't conceptualize, can't apply software solutions to real world problems. But once defined, can write the code.
Claud is no different than any of the others. Yes, they can write code (there are plenty of examples on the internet of how to write code that provides sufficient context, but it doesn't have any learning ability for the released version.
Again, it is based on current prevalent web presence. As the web catches up to the reality that AGW has effectively been debunked, AI will reflect that reality.
'AI' first assumes AGW exists. I can easily correct it, and it even admits it's a religion, but it doesn't learn from the conversation. The next time it is used, it goes right back to assuming AGW exists.

It's just the junk on the internet, prettyprinted.
China develops virtually nothing.
They did develop black powder and paper. Of course, the development for black powder was looking for an 'elixer of life' at the time. The powder he came up with used honey for the fuel. Wound up burning his house down. He later wrote (translated) 'never make this stuff again'.

Chinese fireworks are pretty decent, but there are some cheap things they do with them that professional pyrotechs here in the U.S. should be aware of, particularly with chorate based stars and cheap quickmatch (using a ribbon instead of string), making it hard to e-match it. Still passes fire once you get it set up properly though.

I think Malta does better with fireworks, but they don't mass manufacture them.

In my opinion, the best fireworks are made right here in the good 'ole US of A.

All of them are based on that same black powder that was originally created in China.

China is good at cheap mechanical, and LEDs. Little else.
Most CPUs and GPUs used in the United States come from either Taiwan or Mexico, not from China.
Most EVs driving around are made in the United States (Tesla, Rivian), using US made components and even the batteries.
Most other batteries are made in Japan, including most lithium-ion batteries.
Most phones are Korean (Apple has moved its manufacturing to Korea also).
Resistors, capacitors, inductors, timing crystals, discrete transistors, and much instrumentation comes from Japan.

To say that black powder or paper is 'nothing' is simply ignoring history and the importance of both of these inventions.

It is capitalism in China that produces cheap mechanicals and linear devices, such as power supplies, PC boards, computer cases, etc. They developed these processes. The US is currently trying to copy THEM to rebuild it's electronics industry.

The US was quite the stick in the mud with electronics. Other nations like Japan quickly took the lead, developing surface mount technology while we were still using tubes.

The US did the same thing with it's automotive industry. We started marketing shit cars, while Japan was exporting better built and more reliable cars to the US. It wasn't long before the Japanese car became most commonplace. Toyota is now the biggest car manufacturer in the world.

The US is good with computer software, growing food, creating medicines, medical equiment, and medical procedures, and is generally much better at sanitation. We also produce more oil than anywhere in the world (13.5 billion barrels/DAY). Russia comes in 2nd place at 9.87 bb/day.

Each nation brings it's own assets to the world's wealth. China is no exception.

Yeah, China tries to steal a lot, but what they steal they don't really understand, and it's built like shit.








They steal and copy from America. From their faux F-35 to their Aircraft Carrier knock offs, to the M5 chips from Apple.

But they can't touch Nvidia, so they don't have the hardware compute power to compete. Nvidia famously will not manufacture in China, and is more thorough than the CIA with background checks, utterly thwarting Chinese attempts to steal their technology.



Yep, that pretty much describes it.



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AI is software. It will never be more than software. It's useful, but it will never take over the world, much less endanger humanity. The "good or bad" of AI is purely based on who is using it.

Software does not, will not, and can not have intent.
 
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