You would need to show it to an official before exercising your right.
Majority Leader John Thune is holding a vote in the Senate to require voter ID nationwide in elections by law, a provision of the SAVE America Act
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Yakuda
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Where? Which official? And when am I "bearing" my arms? I want to follow your rules. When am I "exercising" my right to bear arms?
Yakuda
Verified User
And beyond that you're missing the point. People have said once you've registered to vote and proven who you are there in no need to show your ID again. So if I register with the state as an eligible gun owner I should never again have to show an ID to "bear" my arms should i?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
So, once you open a bank account, by that logic, you never need show your ID to the bank again. No one might pretend to by you and access your account now would they?
Nah, guys like this would never do that... Would they?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
So, if I go out in the deep woods, all by myself, to use a firearm for practice, I need to show my ID to who exactly...
I see you don't understand what a right is. This isn't about "which official?" It's about being forced to show ID in order to exercise a right. If you claim a right requires an ID before exercising it then the equal protection clause would require that every right could demand an ID before exercising that right.
Banking is not a right guaranteed by the Constitution. If you don't understand what a right is, you might want to keep quiet and not reveal your ignorance.So, once you open a bank account, by that logic, you never need show your ID to the bank again. No one might pretend to by you and access your account now would they?
Nah, guys like this would never do that... Would they?
The designated government official that checks IDs before a right guaranteed in the Constitution can be exercised. You don't seem to understand that requiring ID to exercise a right guaranteed in the Constitution means that all Constitutional rights can require IDs before being exercised.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
You have a right to travel too, and reentry into the US as a citizen is guaranteed. Try doing that without a passport. What you don't grasp is that Rights have limits on them too. You can't yell "Fire!" in a theater and call it freedom of speech, for example. So, it is perfectly reasonable that when you go to vote you need to prove who you are before you do it.
And you are simply proving your ignorance of what a right is.
The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed in the second amendment. Keeping and bearing has nothing to do with purchasing. Purchasing is simply something you do prior to exercising the right. The actual right is the act of keeping and bearing arms.
The right to vote is the right most mentioned in the US Constitution. 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendment. Registration is something you do prior to exercising the right. The actual right is the act of voting.
Where is the reentry into the US a guaranteed right in the Constitution? You don't seem to understand what a guaranteed right is in the Constitution.
You don't have to show an ID every time you use the first amendment. Why should you show an ID to use the 19th amendment?
But if rights have limits then you must agree that you could be required to show ID to bear arms.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
In certain circumstances, yes, you have to show an ID to bear or use arms. When I go to a state run firing range, I show my ID to gain access and they record that I'm there.
By your definition of this, I shouldn't have to show an ID to register to vote. I can register and then vote, no ID required. That is just a reductio ad absurdum argument.
You don’t, but given voter fraud is minusculer why would you take away a person’s right to vote
Amazing, but it is not the same proposal delivered to the senate, and as procedure dictates, the bill returns to the House for their approval of the changes, did you learn civics from School House Rock
Can’t make disappear that which doesn’t exist
Into the Night
Contributor
Not a given.You cannot make any evidence of Democrat election fraud disappear, anchovies.
Into the Night
Contributor
The House already approved it, anchovies.
Lovely straw man. Why can't you argue against my actual position? Registering to vote is not voting.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Registering to vote is necessary to determine what elections you can vote in. Showing ID to do both is reasonable. Not showing ID to do either is the absurd point of view.
Into the Night
Contributor
Won't work, anchovies. You can't make the evidence of Democrat election fraud just disappear.
* mathematical improbability
* videos of election workers filling out ballots and running them through the machine multiple times.
* changing election law ex-post-facto.
* changing election parameters without the authority to do so.
* signed affidavits attesting to election fraud.
* counting after hours with no observers present.
* machines mysteriously failing in republican held districts.
* people going in to vote and finding they already 'voted'.
* dead people 'voting'.
* out of jurisdiction voting.
* illegal aliens registered to vote and voting.
* demonstrable bugs in voting tabulators allowing fraudulent access.
* choosing electors without authority.
* conflict of interest problems, including an election officer running for office in that election.
* failure to conform to federal law.
* election officers overruling a state's authority.
I could go on, but you deny history anyway.