Do the humanities need a rebrand?

Cypress said:
Drunk this early? You responded directly to my post which was specifically referencing classwork in German history.
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You don't have to be an 'expert' to know the Holy Roman Empire was a confederation of largely German people. That is covered in high school and college introductory European history classes.

I must seem like an expert to you because your knowledge is very limited. Also, I keep my mouth shut on topics I do not know, so you'll rarely see me say something foolish and ignorant.
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Rome is not in Germany, Cyborg.
 
Hume said:
It is weird you think the liberal arts are just to teach conversational language.
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No I don't think that. Liberal art sis a whole smorgasbord of topics which can be learned by diligent use of public libraries.
Moosakofsky said:
So what category would you put foreign language education at the university level.
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Wow, I didn't think the question was too uncomfortable for you to answer but I guess it was.
 
Moosakofsky said:
No I don't think that. Liberal art sis a whole smorgasbord of topics which can be learned by diligent use of public libraries.

Wow, I didn't think the question was too uncomfortable for you to answer but I guess it was.
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Well, you seem to be unaware of how universities operate.
 
Moosakofsky said:
No. The whole German thing started out w/ me stating that I learned to speak German without any formal classroom education and that was just to make my point that liberal arts education can be self taught.
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You responded directly to my posts about how an actual university degree in German requires coursework in German history.

You don't have the equivalent of a bachelor's degree in German. Just having the conversational skills to order beer and bratwurst in Berlin is not even remotely enough to qualify for a bachelor's degree in German.

Universities expect their German bachelor's degree graduates to be accomplished students of Germany - and that includes the language, the history, the literature, the culture, the politics.
 
Cypress said:
You responded directly to my posts about how an actual university degree in German requires coursework in German history.

You don't have the equivalent of a bachelor's degree in German. Just having the conversational skills to order beer and bratwurst in Berlin is not even remotely enough to qualify for a bachelor's degree in German.

Universities expect their German bachelor's degree graduates to be accomplished students of Germany - and that includes the language, the history, the literature, the culture, the politics.
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That person is extremely uninformed.
 
Cypress said:
The discussion started out as to what German history is taught in a class.

Professional educators know you cannot teach a survey course of German history with bringing up the history of the German people during their confederation as the Holy Roman Empire.

UC Davis, German History 144A & 144B​
"History of Germany, 1450 to 1789 and History of Germany since 1789"​
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I'm just making a semantic distinction, that's all. A history of Germanic peoples goes back before 1871. The title of the course is simply imprecise. An unfortunate thing that happens frequently at universities today.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm just making a semantic distinction, that's all. A history of Germanic peoples goes back before 1871. The title of the course is simply imprecise. An unfortunate thing that happens frequently at universities today.
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Yes, yes. All universities are marxist blah blah blah
 
Cypress said:
You responded directly to my posts about how an actual university degree in German requires coursework in German history.
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ok
Cypress said:
You don't have the equivalent of a bachelor's degree in German.
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I know that. Never said I did.
Cypress said:
Just having the conversational skills to order beer and bratwurst in Berlin is not even remotely enough to qualify for a bachelor's degree in German.
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Agreed. And that wouldn't be enuf to achieve B2 level proficiency.
Cypress said:
Universities expect their German bachelor's degree graduates to be accomplished students of Germany - and that includes the language, the history, the literature, the culture, the politics.
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If one majored in German that is what is to be expected.

I'm also very knowledgeable of the language, the history, the literature, the culture, the politics.
Anybody that immersed themselves there for three years, has friends and family there, still goes there at least once a year would be.
Ergo, a university degree is not a requirement to be knowledgeable in the language, culture, history literature, politics and I will add music. All that can be self learned.
 
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Moosakofsky said:
If one majored in German that is what is to be expected.

I'm also very knowledgeable of the language, the history, the literature, the culture, the politics.
Anybody that immersed themselves there for three years, has friends and family there, still goes there at least once a year would be.
Ergo, a university degree is not a requirement to be knowledgeable in the language, culture, history literature, politics and I will add music. All that can be self learned.
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I would say that if you had a good professor or two, you could get more insight quickly than doing it on your own.
 
Hume said:
Says the guy who mostly posts pictures.
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Pictures are worth a thousand words don't you know?

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T. A. Gardner said:
I would say that if you had a good professor or two, you could get more insight quickly than doing it on your own.
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I don't see how learning it in a classroom is better than living it. E.g., is a classroom going to teach me all the nuances, idioms, slang and customs I experienced being a member of a golf club in Kitzingen ? Swimming with the equivalent of a U.S. Masters swim club there?
 
Moosakofsky said:
I don't see how learning it in a classroom is better than living it. E.g., is a classroom going to teach me all the nuances, idioms, slang and customs I experienced being a member of a golf club in Kitzingen ? Swimming with the equivalent of a U.S. Masters swim club there?
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A good professor or teacher knows the subject in depth. They have already learned what you need to know on a subject. So, they act as a shortcut to learning. For example, just getting a reading list from a good teacher is a win.

On the other hand, average to mediocre teachers give you little insight into anything.
 
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