T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
The fires I saw, after the initial fireball, in the video were miniscule. Jet fuel burns a lot bigger than that and it doesn't take much to make big fire. Saw that first hand at firefighting school in the Navy.
๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ ๐๐ฒ๐ ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ต ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐น๐บ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ต ๐๐ผ๐๐ป๐๐ ๐๐น ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ ๐ฎ๐ณ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐ผ๐ผ๐ป (๐๐ถ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ผ)
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Maybe the fire does not matter......did you see the speed at which it hit?
Martin Varsavsky
@martinvars
Translated from Spanish
I was a Citation pilot, a small private jet that I still own (though it's been 15 years since I last flew as a pilot). Curiously, from the 42nd floor of our apartment in Miami, which is in Edgewater near the airport, we watched a massive storm: incessant lightning for hours, intense rains, and strong winds. In the midst of that, I learned about the news of the Learjet 60 (N722BD) that crashed north of Miami, and I saw the videos of the impressive, almost vertical impact.This is my theory of what happened (the official investigation will confirm or refute it, but I'm sharing it): according to the flight and radar data and the radio transmission that's a horror to listen to, the plane flew straight into the core of a severe cell at FL350, with tops near 47,000 feet. It climbed due to the strong updraft and then lost complete control: overspeed, 60ยฐ bank, and descents of more than 20,000โ32,000 fpm until it crashed (descending faster than the indicated speed destroys an airplane, which is why there's a green and red arc). This accident is very rare, but it follows a pattern similar to that of Air France 447 in 2009, in which more than 200 passengers and crew disappeared in the Atlantic, and to other accidents where the aircraft penetrates or gets too close to the cores of intense storms. The radars clearly showed those cells; in light jets, the rule is to deviate with a good margin, not to fly through themโthis could be an error by the woman who was piloting. What storms do by changing the outside temperature is that airplanes can no longer stay aloft at the same speed. It's called the coffin corner. Or they become very difficult to keep under control.Near the tropics, storms tend to be much taller (tops that easily exceed 45,000โ50,000 feet) due to the large amount of moisture and available energy. In other words, the storms are taller than the ceiling of the airplanes, meaning there's no way to avoid them by going above. That's why, in general, it's calmer to fly routes like MadridโNew York (where you can go around or pass above the convection with more margin) than MadridโBuenos Aires, where the equator and the intertropical convergence zone generate more powerful and taller cells that force more frequent and careful deviations, and there are more tall storms.
Guno ืฆึฐืึดื
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
I remember fire fighting school in boot camp navy 1968, down the road from the main base at great lakes, also worked at the school for service week
FASCINATING.
Tbird19482
Verified User
Eleuthera. is one really pretty island, the Navy use to have a base there , I was stationed there for 2 and a half years, Good times.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Jet fuel is incompressible. It is a liquid. It would still be present and would ignite and burn.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
I did the flight deck firefighting one as well. The instructors lit this shallow pit with a mock up of a helicopter in it. The pit was the size of a swimming pool. Flames two stories high. Each student had to put it out with nothing but a 24 lbs. "Purple K" fire extinguisher.
Guno ืฆึฐืึดื
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
I was on a tin can
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Even though I was in engineering on a carrier you could still go to flight deck firefighting because you could end up in a DC party / locker that would have to do it. I was in 1A at the forward end of the hanger bay as party electrician for a long time on the 'Prise.' I also had to respond when on watch as Duty Distribution Rover to any casualty that the Flying Squad responded to as a second and more experienced electrician to the party electrician.
As per usual you dont track.
Iโve been 4 times, itโs a magical place.
I was โstuckโ in Gregory town for a week due to bad weather (I was traveling on a sailboat w my family). It was one of the best travel experiences Iโve ever had. My sister and I hitchhiked the span of the island.
It has a very interesting history with regards to the original white settlers. The Eutherian Adventure Society.
Tbird19482
Verified User
Now you are going to test my memory.
I was there back in 71 to 73.
lived in Palmetto point, rented a small house from a guy that was the assistant PM.
They got their independence when I was there .
Then moved to a place between Governors harbor and James Cistern for about a year , closer to the base. the place had about 12 one bedroom houses . the rood had a thousand holes in it per every twenty feet , More holes then road. then they repaved it , and you had better get out of their way or they would run right over you.
Navy base road went off to the right if you were going north from Gov, Harbor to JC, Had a really really nice beach.
Found one of my most valuable Bottles there , I have no idea how it serviced but from collecting them for a lot of years I put its age at back from the 1500s.
Did you get any Conch fritters when there?
We lived on lobster you could go out and get them right in our back yard if you went on the ocean side you could get some 3 to 4 foot long tails,
It was a really nice place to live.
Tbird19482
Verified User
Was Gregory town north of Gov. Harbor?
Yes, approximately halfway between Governors Harbor and Spanish Wells.
Tbird19482
Verified User
Yep , the navy base was north of Gov. Harbor , about half way to Spanish wells, just south of JC.