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AProudLefty said:
Again, they do not have to challenge it. We are in a secular country. That means everyone is free to their religious faiths.
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That is not the way constitutional rights work. You can't violate secular laws in the name of religious freedom unless the court strikes down that law or gives you an exception.

Otherwise, I can claim using cocaine, having sex with minors, and driving over the speed limit are part of my religious beliefs and violate those laws.

There is a long history of freedom of religion cases the SC has decided on this issue.
 
yep - you no longer have the freedom to take a blood test at 7 weeks - and use that to abort a fetus based on gender or eye color

Crazy as that sounds - I ran into a lunatic woke progress nut job that insists this is her right.

Because these nut jobs failed to compromise in regions that demand compromise, you lost so much more.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,

So it's just coincidence that zealous Christians oppose abortion and did everything they could to take that option away from non-Christians?
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My point is that establishment of religion (separation of church and state) only applies to government action which cannot make laws which help or hinder religion--it is to remain neutral.

Those who suggest religious anti-abortion groups violate the establishment clause do not understand that constitutional provision.

If a group believes their religion wants government to provide universal healthcare and gets that law passed, that does not mean that group forced its religious views on others. It forced its political views on others which is what every law does.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,

How do you know what God wants? It is not possible to have a conversation with the mythical entity. Any perceptions of what God wants are guesses.
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I don't. I was using that as a hypothetical example of someone's religious belief. It was to show a person favoring abortion for religious reasons is not forcing their religious beliefs on you; likewise, a person opposing abortion for religious reasons is not forcing their religion on you.

You do not share their religious beliefs whether abortion is legal or illegal.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Concart,



That was their mistake. The ruling violates the 4th Amendment to be secure in person. It should thus be overturned at a future time by a more objective court.
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No, it violates no part of the Constitution. It affirms that abortion is not a Constitutional enumerated power. Non-enumerated powers belong to the states.

Got it?

Got it?
 
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Hello Flash,

Flash said:
I don't. I was using that as a hypothetical example of someone's religious belief. It was to show a person favoring abortion for religious reasons is not forcing their religious beliefs on you; likewise, a person opposing abortion for religious reasons is not forcing their religion on you.

You do not share their religious beliefs whether abortion is legal or illegal.
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If religious zealots create laws which force the rest of society to adhere to the morality of their religion they are most definitely forcing their religion on others by using the government to enforce the edicts of their religion.
 
Jarod said:
It’s actually the right to Privacy, which was much larger than abortion. It was the right to make basic personal decisions that most directly affect who we as individuals are.

The conservatives could easily have left that right alone and carved Abortion out of it. Instead these guys took it away giving the government the power to once again regulate access to birth control, who we can marry and any other number of personal decisions.

They took power away from individuals and gave it to the government.
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No, you can't use the 4th amendment to justify murder, dude.
 
Sawyerloggingon said:
Sarcasm but it means California will have basically unregulated abortion. Any time you want for any reason you want. SCOTUS didn't outlaw abortion as leftist claim. It's now up to individual states to decide.
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You know it's not like getting a manicure. 22 to 24 weeks is the height legal time to have an abortion in California, just like a bunch of other states. Note how many states' laws are more liberal than CA's. The bright green states have virtually no restrictions.

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Color-coded map showing the legality of elective abortion in the United States as of June 2022

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_States_by_state
 
Into the Night said:
No, you can't use the 4th amendment to justify murder, dude.
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Not my point you idiot.

Like I pointed out, the S.Ct could have said that but leave the right to Privacy intact, they did not, they invalidated the entire right to Privacy.
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
couldn't keep the best policy I ever had thanks to your dumbasses, well now, you get to enjoy more government in your business, no more murder for you
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How did Obamacare take away your right? I understand companies chose to stop offering your policy, or your doctor chose to stop accepting it, but how did Obamacare take away your right to it?
 
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