Deep Green Freeze

[reagansghost]

No, Abbott let them freeze to death. TX is run by Republicans.

Fox News and Republican politicians—including Texas Gov. Greg Abbott—have been taking this “opportunity” to attack Texas’ use of wind energy, call for the burning of more fossil fuels, and to make claims that green power is “deadly.” However, the statistics provided by Texas own grid managers show that wind continues to produce more power than projected for this time of year, with the great majority of outages in exactly the gas- and coal-based plants that Fox has been touting.

Meanwhile, far from being off line, wind generators are enjoying a fat payday. Thanks to the way power prices fluctuate in Texas, Bloomberg reports that a 100Mw windfarm that could normally expect to clear $40,000 on any two days in February, instead racked up over $9.5 million on Monday and Tuesday thanks to record spikes in Texas power market.

In 2003, Australia installed a pair of wind turbines at its Mawson Research Station in Antarctica. One of those turbines failed … after 14 years of operating in extreme conditions where temperatures are regularly far below zero and winds exceed 100 mph. The other turbine is still operating, providing 300 kW to power the research post.

At the opposite end of the world, Norway installed a pair of 100Mw turbines in Svalbard, the most northerly town in the world. Further south, but still within the Arctic circle, the fishing and tourist town of Havøysund, Norway, is home to Arctic Wind. Greenland also has been moving to wind power since 2008.

And in the United States, anyone traveling along Interstate 94 through North Dakota can’t help but notice that the area is graced by more than 1,500 wind turbines generating over 3,000 Mw of energy. The temperature in Dallas might have reached 24 degrees on Tuesday, but it was -1 in Fargo. North Dakota’s wind turbines kept right on cranking.

~ dkos

 

[Rune]

wind and solar cant work on freezing or cloudy days. the rest of this horseshit I havrnt got time -
late for the pool.
aas for R&D no amount of R&D changes the fact metal freezes when there is condensate on it

LMFAO.
Shut the fuck up retard.
What a collection of untrue bullshit.

 

[moon]

It's not the turbines you dopey twat, it's the rotors that get iced up and in some cases they break from the weight of the ice. How much do you imagine it would cost to fit de-icing equipment to them?

I know I shouldn't do- but I really enjoy you making an ass of yourself, Vera.

Cracking the icing problem on turbine blades

https://www.windpowerengineering.com/cracking-icing-problem-turbine-blades/

Will heat be the winner in de-icing turbine blades?

https://www.reutersevents.com/renew...e/will-heat-be-winner-de-icing-turbine-blades

Engineers study icing/de-icing of wind turbine blades to improve winter power production

https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2019/09/23/turbineicing

Stick to the science of Ponzi profiteering, old chap.


Haw, haw.......................................haw.

 

[Rune]

good info contributions on this thread. all because we have made nat gas an enemy..so dang dumb

Moron.
Nat gas is the one and only transition fuel. Why do you hate it? Idiot.

 

[Rune]

Reliable generation doesn't require storage, nor does it require duplication with back up systems the way unreliable solar and wind do. It makes going to solar and wind simply stupid for most generation purposes.

This comment is so painfully stupid that the entire internet is now stupider.

 

[LV426]

Reliable generation doesn't require storage, nor does it require duplication with back up systems the way unreliable solar and wind do. It makes going to solar and wind simply stupid for most generation purposes.

86% of the gigawatts diminished (30 gigawatts) as of Monday night were from fossil fuel plants.

14% of the gigawatts diminished (5 gigawatts) as of Monday night were from wind plants.

So in what world is 86% < 14% or 30 < 5?

 

[Rune]

Gas and power prices have spiked across the central U.S. while Texas regulators ordered rolling blackouts Monday as an Arctic blast has frozen wind turbines. Herein is the paradox of the left’s climate agenda: The less we use fossil fuels, the more we need them.

A mix of ice and snow swept across the country this weekend as temperatures plunged below zero in the upper Midwest and into the teens in Houston. Cold snaps happen—the U.S. also experienced a Polar Vortex in 2019—as do heat waves. Yet the power grid is becoming less reliable due to growing reliance on wind and solar, which can’t provide power 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Texas’s energy emergency could last all week as the weather is forecast to remain frigid. “My understanding is, the wind turbines are all frozen,” Public Utility Commission Chairman DeAnn Walker said Friday. “We are working already to try and ensure we have enough power but it’s taken a lot of coordination.”

Wind’s share has tripled to about 25% since 2010 and accounted for 42% of power last week before the freeze set in. About half of Texans rely on electric pumps for heating, which liberals want to mandate everywhere. But the pumps use a lot of power in frigid weather. So while wind turbines were freezing, demand for power was surging.

California progressives long ago banished coal. But a heat wave last summer strained the state’s power grid as wind flagged and solar ebbed in the evenings. After imposing rolling blackouts, grid regulators resorted to importing coal power from Utah and running diesel emergency generators.

Liberals claim that prices of renewables and fossil fuels are now comparable, which may be true due to subsidies, but they are no free lunch, as this week’s energy emergency shows.
The Biden Administration’s plan to banish fossil fuels is a greater existential threat to Americans than climate change.
https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/...o-we-do-when-the-wind-turbines-are-all-frozen

You literally know nothing.

Fossil fuel subsidies are 689 billion per year. Renewable subsidies are 20% of the fossil figure.
Remove all subsidies and ONLY renewables makes sense. IDIOT.

 

[LV426]

Fossil fuel subsidies are 689 billion per year. Renewable subsidies are 20% of the fossil figure.

Correct, and you can read exactly that in the IMF's report on Fossil Fuel subsidies:

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Remain Large: An Update Based on Country-Level Estimates
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications...Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509

 

[redfish]

Does Alaska not have power plants and wind turbines? Oh wait, they certainly do, and they certainly don't freeze.

yes, they do, and yes, they do freeze. They also take dozens of gallons of oil for lubrication and sometimes that oil leaks out onto the ground and contaminates it. They also kill birds by the thousands. I thought you greenies loved birds.

 

[Rune]

4 million customers without power in Tx. all as a result of stupid laws forcing nat gas off line replaced by renewables. we need to understand this is what happens when you use renewables as primary power.

Renewable have a place in a diversified energy portfolio - but not as a primary supply

It is called a baseline source you ignorant fucktard.
FYI baseline sources are NEVER alternative sources for obvious reasons.

The problem is, you fucking retard, it was the baseline which failed in Texas. Wind actually outperformed it's expectations.

What a fucking lying loser you are. Oxygen Bandit.

 

[Rune]

yes, they do, and yes, they do freeze. They also take dozens of gallons of oil for lubrication and sometimes that oil leaks out onto the ground and contaminates it. They also kill birds by the thousands. I thought you greenies loved birds.

We do.
A chicken in every pot.

 

[redfish]

Correct, and you can read exactly that in the IMF's report on Fossil Fuel subsidies:

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Remain Large: An Update Based on Country-Level Estimates
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications...Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509

I oppose all subsides of all kinds. If the product cannot generate a profit then it should not be produced until the technology evolves such that it can make money. hydrocarbon subsidies were put in place to encourage risky drilling for oil and gas. Not every well ends up producing, but they all cost millions to drill. Renewable subsidies were put in place for the same reason, to encourage investment in unproven technology. subsidies do not work and should be stopped.

 

[Rune]

Besides the impact on households, the cold is wreaking havoc on the energy industry itself. U.S. oil production has dropped by well over a million barrels a day, helping U.S. crude prices trade above $60 a barrel for the first time in more than year. The region’s refining complex -- which produces almost half of the nation’s fuel -- is struggling to limp along without power and gas supplies. Some of the largest oil refineries have shut altogether, threatening to reduce supplies of gasoline and diesel across the country.

Natural gas production has also been curtailed just as the cold caused demand to jump. At the Waha hub in Texas gas changed hands at $500 per million British thermal units on Monday, more than 100 times the price at the Henry Hub, the benchmark for the wider U.S.

Power plants with a combined capacity of more than 34 gigawatts were forced offline on Monday, including nuclear reactors, coal and gas generators and wind farms. It’s not yet clear why. Early on Tuesday, power generation in Texas had yet to stage any significant recovery.

Wind power generators were among the victims of the cold weather, with turbine blades rendered inoperable due to ice -- a phenomenon that reduces efficiency and can ultimately stop them from spinning. Texas estimated that more than half of its wind power capacity had come offline.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...eashes-brutal-cold-over-u-s-with-more-to-come

At times, parts of Texas were colder than Alaska, according to the National Weather Service. In the Dallas-Fort Worth area it was 5 degrees Fahrenheit. Houston may pick up as much as 2 inches (5 centimeters) of snow overnight, along with ice and sleet, the National Weather Service said. It will get hit by another storm bringing ice and freezing rain Wednesday.

Now, finally, in your sixth post does the truth come eking out you slimy lying sub-weasel. Shut the fuck up you know-nothing kunt.

 

[Rune]

you should. He's declared war on our energy sector..not just Keystone they are going after other pipelines

Biden Move to Nix Keystone XL Puts Other Pipelines in Bull’s-Eye
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/envir...keystone-xl-puts-other-pipelines-in-bulls-eye
The Dakota Access pipeline is perhaps the only project as widely known and debated as Keystone XL. One big difference: It’s already in service, shipping oil from North Dakota to Illinois since 2017.

Still, the Biden administration could throw hurdles in its path. A federal court last year scrapped the pipeline’s easement across the Missouri River and ordered it to halt operations. The shutdown was averted, but the easement remains void, meaning Dakota Access is technically encroaching on federal land. The Trump administration declined to bring any enforcement action against the company, but Biden officials could.

More total bullshit. Why must you always lie?

 

[LV426]

yes, they do, and yes, they do freeze.

No, they actually don't. Because they are built to withstand cold weather. So why didn't Texas weatherize theirs?

They also take dozens of gallons of oil for lubrication and sometimes that oil leaks out onto the ground and contaminates it

Not really, no.

And "dozens" of gallons? My car takes dozens of gallons of oil.

They also kill birds by the thousands.

House cats kill over a billion birds every year in just the US.

I thought you greenies loved birds.

I thought you Conservatives liked telling the truth. Guess not.

 

[LV426]

I oppose all subsides of all kinds. If the product cannot generate a profit then it should not be produced until the technology evolves such that it can make money. hydrocarbon subsidies were put in place to encourage risky drilling for oil and gas. Not every well ends up producing, but they all cost millions to drill. Renewable subsidies were put in place for the same reason, to encourage investment in unproven technology. subsidies do not work and should be stopped.

If subsidies ended tomorrow, the fossil fuel industry would go bankrupt while green energy industries would thrive for the sole reason that green energies are renewable and fossil fuels are not.

 

[Concart]

Hilarious circle jerk unconnected to fact. These shortages are a result of Texas being unprepared for weather this cold. It is a massive leadership failure, which the governor immediately tried to pass off on the Green New Deal.

Please continue.

 

[Rune]

Heat pumps don't work well below about 50 degrees or so. Below that temperature it's normal to add gas packs or electric heating strips to the AC unit to supplement the heat pump output. Otherwise, what happens is the unit starts running continuously and can never produce enough heat to meet demand.

Of course, Leftists don't know stuff like that because it isn't taught in Womyn's Studies or whatever and they think skilled trades labor is beneath them... Right up until they're freezing to death and get handed a thousand dollar plus bill to fix the problem by some tradesman.

Now, they could fix the wind turbine problem easily enough. All they'd have to do is add a natural gas heater to each one that pumps warm air into the turbine blades to keep them from freezing...

Solar works so well in winter time...

Another bigtime Liar;

[FONT=&quot]around 25 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit


[/FONT]
The heat pump is most effective on its own at temperatures around 25 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit. At that point, either a gas furnace or an air handler with supplemental electric heat will kick in to help heat your home.

Asshole. If you had a valid point you wouldn't need to lie.
Go away asshole

https://www.trane.com/residential/e...=The heat pump is most,to help heat your home.

 

[Rune]

Correct, and you can read exactly that in the IMF's report on Fossil Fuel subsidies:

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Remain Large: An Update Based on Country-Level Estimates
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications...Update-Based-on-Country-Level-Estimates-46509

Yup.
In this thread, twatanna is entirely wrong about every single point he tried to make.

 

[Rune]

Hilarious circle jerk unconnected to fact. These shortages are a result of Texas being unprepared for weather this cold. It is a massive leadership failure, which the governor immediately tried to pass off on the Green New Deal.

Please continue.

Yup
Another zero fact thread.