When America launches a war of choice against a weaker country, putting our geopolitical and military reputation on the line, and then we fail to defeat the enemy, fail to extract any concessions from then, and fail to achieve any of our strategic objectives, that will be globally considered a strategic defeat for America.
Facing the possibility of strategic defeat in his Iran War, an angry Trump is screaming at advisors
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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, comrade. trump has, in fact fucked the world in several ways, from his boneheaded tariffs to the Iran war.
Since you're busy all day sucking on trump's shriveled balls, you don't see it.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
But we haven't "fail(ed) to defeat the enemy." At the moment it is simply in a stalemate and war of attrition, one that Iran is losing badly. Your demand for instant results, notwithstanding.
Naw - poor terry's in denial. To him, the "great and powerful trump, his chest swelling with pride and his diaper swelling with sewage won the Iran war and saved America from Biden's "terrible economy".
You have no clue what's going on. The Straight is closed due to trump's moronic boondoggle and it's getting worse. You're either a propagandist or totally brainwashed.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
No, the strait is restricted and there are ships going through, just not normal levels of traffic. That aside, much of the shipping has altered it's movements and is now picking up oil at ports on the Red Sea instead.
Iran has no discernable leadership and is reduced to generals becoming warlords. Their intermittent missile attacks on other countries in the region are largely ineffective.
U.S. thwarts Iranian missile attack on U.S. troops, strikes Iranian proxies in Iraq with Saudi forces
Iran launched multiple ballistic missiles at U.S. forces in the Middle East in what U.S. Central Command described as an "attempted surprise attack" on Tuesday.
www.cbsnews.com
Brief pause ends: US hits Iran again after ballistic missile attack on American troops in Jordan - BusinessToday
The strikes came after Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps fired multiple ballistic missiles at a US air base and another military installation in Jordan
www.businesstoday.in
Strait of Hormuz Live Ship Tracker — Real-Time Crossings & Oil Flow
Real-time vessel tracking through the Strait of Hormuz. Live ship positions, crossing counts, tanker traffic, and 30-day historical data for the world's most critical oil chokepoint.
hormuz.data-tracking.net
So you're saying Iran's transporting its oil by truck across land to the Red Sea? Through enemy territory? Have you lost your fucking mind?
Then why is Iran still able to hold the world hostage? Why can't we just declare victory and leave?
Now here are some actual facts. Do try to learn something.No, the strait is restricted and there are ships going through, just not normal levels of traffic. That aside, much of the shipping has altered it's movements and is now picking up oil at ports on the Red Sea instead.
Iran has no discernable leadership and is reduced to generals becoming warlords. Their intermittent missile attacks on other countries in the region are largely ineffective.
U.S. thwarts Iranian missile attack on U.S. troops, strikes Iranian proxies in Iraq with Saudi forces
Iran launched multiple ballistic missiles at U.S. forces in the Middle East in what U.S. Central Command described as an "attempted surprise attack" on Tuesday.
Brief pause ends: US hits Iran again after ballistic missile attack on American troops in Jordan - BusinessToday
The strikes came after Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps fired multiple ballistic missiles at a US air base and another military installation in Jordan
Strait of Hormuz Live Ship Tracker — Real-Time Crossings & Oil Flow
Real-time vessel tracking through the Strait of Hormuz. Live ship positions, crossing counts, tanker traffic, and 30-day historical data for the world's most critical oil chokepoint.
If you're asking about current traffic through the Strait of Hormuz compared with the period immediately before February 28, 2026, the difference is enormous.
- Before Feb. 28: Ship-tracking data showed roughly 120–153 vessel transits per day, depending on the dataset and definition of a transit.
- Immediately after the conflict began: Traffic fell by more than 95%. Kpler data counted only 279 ships passing between Feb. 28 and Apr. 12—an average of roughly 6–7 per day versus about 100 normally.
- By mid-June: Traffic was still only around 8 transits per day, compared with approximately 120 per day before the war.
- As of the latest reports in July: Traffic has shown some intermittent movement, but remains highly disrupted. Reuters reported that oil and gas tanker traffic fell to its lowest level since May 25 in mid-July amid renewed tensions.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
No I'm saying Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations are transporting their oil by pipeline to ports on the Red Sea and loading it on tankers there. Iran isn't shipping their oil anywhere at the moment. In fact, they've had to shut down much of their production simply because they've run out of places to store it.
Iran on brink of ‘irreversible’ damage to oil fields as storage runs out during blockade
Iran is continuing to load its large oil tankers despite the ongoing US naval blockade, signaling that Tehran is likely running out of storage space and may have to shut down crude production .
nypost.com
That was 60 to 90 days ago. Now they've run out of space.
It isn't. It's just making demands and threats that are all but empty. We can't declare victory because leaving things as they currently are will just see the Iranian leadership, such as still remains, regain control, recover their losses, and try again. Rather than finish the war, what you are calling for is simply a lull between conflicts in a never-ending war.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
That's what I stated. There is traffic at a reduced level.
Into the Night
Contributor
An unnamed 'report'.
I unnamed 'ally'
An unnamed 'official'.
An unnamed 'meeting'.
An unnamed 'source'.
Just another NBC piece of fiction. Nothing to see here...move along...move along...
Well you know Cypresses entire experience with anything military is playing video games.
Into the Night
Contributor
You are not qualified to be an advisor. Jealousy.
Into the Night
Contributor
TDS. You cannot blame Trump for your TDS.
Into the Night
Contributor
What 'results', anchovies? What 'business agents'? Negotiate what, anchovies?
Into the Night
Contributor
Jealousy.
Into the Night
Contributor
Trump is not a dictator, Hugo. Jealousy.
Nowadays that would be considered child abuse. lol
No. We were not at war before 2/28. trump started this war and Iran responded by using the leverage all our intelligence agencies warned trump about but he listed to people like Bibi instead, as usual.No I'm saying Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations are transporting their oil by pipeline to ports on the Red Sea and loading it on tankers there. Iran isn't shipping their oil anywhere at the moment. In fact, they've had to shut down much of their production simply because they've run out of places to store it.
Iran on brink of ‘irreversible’ damage to oil fields as storage runs out during blockade
Iran is continuing to load its large oil tankers despite the ongoing US naval blockade, signaling that Tehran is likely running out of storage space and may have to shut down crude production .
That was 60 to 90 days ago. Now they've run out of space.
It isn't. It's just making demands and threats that are all but empty. We can't declare victory because leaving things as they currently are will just see the Iranian leadership, such as still remains, regain control, recover their losses, and try again. Rather than finish the war, what you are calling for is simply a lull between conflicts in a never-ending war.
We have lost this war - 1/5 of the world's oil along with and more than 1/3 of all fertilizers globally are being held up. 100% trump's fault. No one else's.
No that is NOT what you claimed. You claimed shortages due to the Iran war blockading the Straight of Hormuz are being made up via stuff shipped via the Red Sea - which is total bullshit. But that's you.