Federal deficit grows by 32% to $900B

"Could be at fault"?

TOTAL GOALPOST SHIFT THERE!

So we go from you saying the Fed is at fault to saying the Fed could be at fault.

The Fed didn't cause the dotcom bubble, and I gave you a link to an academic paper reported by Business Insider that showed what caused volatility in the market at the end of the 90's were the tax cuts. You just completely ignored that because it didn't let you have your bottle where you could blame an institution you seemingly know less-than-nothing about, for the economic turmoil caused by the very policies you support; tax cuts & deregulation.

The Fed didn't cause the dotcom bubble, your shitty tax cuts did.

The Fed didn't cause the housing bubble, your shitty deregulation did.

The Fed didn't cause the S&L Crisis, your shitty laissez-faire capitalism did.

Everything always seems to come back to the poor policies and practices Conservatives routinely engage in and push, while denying that they are the root cause because you just have to socialize blame so you don't have to change your thinking.

What a lazy fucking asshole.

Standing Ovation!
 
Nope. The Fed did cause the housing bubble. My previous comment was from your perspective. You think because the Fed exists it can do no wrong.

It's funny you think you can bully people with all the cussing and threats if they have a different opinion. Doesn't work that way. You're not correct because you cuss.

You're opinion isn't different, its flat out lie.
 
I haven't ignored any facts.

All you've done is post one single Op-Ed that doesn't explain the connection between the weakened lending standards and the massive increase in the volume of subprime lending.

You lazily thought you could pass that shit off as a "fact", but it's not.

FACT: The Fed has nothing to do with the standards lenders have for loans

FACT: The Fed had nothing to do with Bush's decision to dramatically weaken lending standards for subprime loans

FACT: Weak subprime loans from 2004-7 are what triggered the crisis

FACT: The Fed had lowered interest rates three years before any bubble appeared.

FACT: In 2004, the year the subprime bubble started, the Fed was actually raising interest rates.

So the Fed wasn't responsible for the subprime bubble that started in 2004 because the Fed was raising rates throughout that year.

From Bernanke himself saying the Fed deserves the blame. I understand in your position it is hard to blame the government. There are some who blame the crash on Clinton's financial deregulation but I don't. I don't believe that played a role. What did okay a role was both the Clinton and Bush administration pushing for higher levels of home ownership. Combine that with the Feds easy money policies and voila.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...sis-marksjarvis-1015-biz-20151014-column.html
 
Yeah...

I have one request for you dude...can you please refrain from using slurs like the n-word? I know you're just trying to put what they truly think and believe into words, so I appreciate it. But I think it sets a bad precedent. I think you can use regular personal attacks.


I can't guarantee I will stop using it. They need to see how ignorant, hateful and racist they are.

It's a word used on this board frequently.

They set the precedent long ago. Not me.
 
Annual budget deficits, which represent the federal government’s spending in excess of revenue, have begun to rise for the first time in seven years, dating back to 2009. President Obama inherited a deficit of $1.4 trillion when he took office at the end of the Great Recession.


Another massive pile of bullshit. The deficits rose exponentially when Democrats took over the House and the Senate. Obama merely grabbed that ball and ran with it.

Liberal hypocrite morons on the left downplayed the deficits by proclaiming they were for the "right" cause and "necessary."

You never get much of anything right do you snowflake?
 
From Bernanke himself saying the Fed deserves the blame. I understand in your position it is hard to blame the government. There are some who blame the crash on Clinton's financial deregulation but I don't. I don't believe that played a role. What did okay a role was both the Clinton and Bush administration pushing for higher levels of home ownership. Combine that with the Feds easy money policies and voila.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...sis-marksjarvis-1015-biz-20151014-column.html

If you bothered to actually read the link you posted, which you clearly didn't, you'd see that it wasn't Fed policy Bernanke said deserved blame, it was the Board of Governors failure to acknowledge the risk banks were taking.

After all, he was on the Federal Reserve board as bank practices were becoming increasingly risky, as Fed staffers were warning the board about rising risks to banks and consumers, and as little action was taken until it was — in his words — "too late."

So nowhere in there does Bernanke say the Fed is to blame for the Crisis. He says the Fed acted too late to do anything about it. But nowhere in there does he say the Fed caused the crisis, just that its response to what was happening was slow and that it "didn't do enough to control risky lending". So I guess in your world, cops deserve blame for crime because they didn't do anything to stop the criminal before they acted illegally.

Now, you know that the risky lending was the result of the Bush Administration dramatically weakening underwriting standards for subprime loans, right? So what Bernanke is saying is that the Fed should have acted sooner to control that risky lending. But that's not saying the Fed is to blame for the crisis. It's saying the Fed's response to what was happening was too slow.

So you're doing the lazy, typically Conservative thing of vomiting forth a link that you didn't read closely.

So you shit forth a link that you misrepresent because you're too fucking lazy or you lack the moral character to actually comprehend what it says.

You say the Fed caused the crisis because they didn't act fast enough to control the risky lending?!?!?!??!

What a fucking idiot.
 
I can't guarantee I will stop using it. They need to see how ignorant, hateful and racist they are.

It's a word used on this board frequently.

They set the precedent long ago. Not me.

I get that. I really, truly do.

But I think it's just bad optics, even if what you're doing is paraphrasing.

But I totally agree with you in that's what they really think and believe. I just think it works to our advantage to have them use the slurs exclusively.
 
I haven't ignored any facts.

All you've done is post one single Op-Ed that doesn't explain the connection between the weakened lending standards and the massive increase in the volume of subprime lending.

You lazily thought you could pass that shit off as a "fact", but it's not.

FACT: The Fed has nothing to do with the standards lenders have for loans

FACT: The Fed had nothing to do with Bush's decision to dramatically weaken lending standards for subprime loans

FACT: Weak subprime loans from 2004-7 are what triggered the crisis

FACT: The Fed had lowered interest rates three years before any bubble appeared.

FACT: In 2004, the year the subprime bubble started, the Fed was actually raising interest rates.

So the Fed wasn't responsible for the subprime bubble that started in 2004 because the Fed was raising rates throughout that year.

You wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you upside your thick empty skull snowflake. Claiming it was Bush is moronic and laughably idiotic.

Here are the FACTS:

What Caused the Mortgage Crisis?
https://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com/what-caused-the-mortgage-crisis/

Who Was to Blame for the Subprime Crisis?
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-blame.asp

The Cause of the 2008 Financial Crisis
.......Why would banks make such risky loans? The answer is that the Clinton administration pressured the banks to help poor people become homeowners, a noble liberal idea. Also the Clinton Justice Department threatened banks with lawsuits and fines ($10,000 per application) for redlining (discrimination) if they did not make these loans. Also ACORN (Obama’s community service organization) was instrumental in providing borrowers and pressuring the banks to make these loans.

To allow Fannie Mae to make more loans, President Clinton also reduced Fannie Mae’s reserve requirement to 2.5%. That means it could purchase and/or guarantee $97.50 in mortgages for every $2.50 it had in equity to cover possible bad debts. If more than 2.5% of the loans go bad, the taxpayers (us) have to pay for them. That is what this bailout is all about. It is not the government paying the banks for the bad loans, it is us!!

https://www.aim.org/guest-column/the-cause-of-the-2008-financial-crisis/

Watch as Democrats attack the regulator and race hustle in the hearings in 2004 trying to get a handle on the impending crisis; yes the DEMOCRATS are the reason nothing was done folks:
Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Hearings 2004
 
Yeah...

I have one request for you dude...can you please refrain from using slurs like the n-word? I know you're just trying to put what they truly think and believe into words, so I appreciate it. But I think it sets a bad precedent. I think you can use regular personal attacks.

shes a black female
 
...deleted insult...The drop of inventory orders for Q3 and Q4 isn't because "of housing".
Never said it was.
It's because of your shitty tariffs that pushed distributors to fill orders ahead of the tariffs.
Only for importers of certain products. Those products can be manufactured here, and they are beginning to be manufactured here again.
So they increased inventory output and production temporarily.

Inventory is not an 'output' or a 'production'. Inventory is simply inventory.
But to assume that same level of demand will be there for Q3 and Q4 with the tariffs, is to make a stupid assumption.
People will still buy a product, whether it was built here or built overseas.
Our economy will slide into a recession because of these tariffs,
I doubt it. It's actually causing some companies to start here and relocate here, meaning they will be hiring U.S. workers.
not because of housing.
Never said it was because of housing.
Housing will end up being affected because of the job loss caused by the tariffs and higher consumer prices.
Maybe.
And it will be entirely the Conservatives' fault.
Nope. You lay the blame for this one firmly on the Chinese government. They OWN the steel and aluminum industries there. The stuff they are selling for supercheap is due to the taxes they impose on their own people to do it.

Ups and downs are a normal part of any economy. What causes our extended downturns is the Federal Reserve and price controls.
 
Only for importers of certain products. Those products can be manufactured here, and they are beginning to be manufactured here again.

No they're not "beginning to be manufactured here". That's a lie. You just made that shit up on the spot. No overseas production was moved here. It'll never happen anyway.
 
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Tariffs aren't paid by governments, ...deleted insult.... They're paid by consumers.
No, they are paid by importers. Consumers do not have to buy from importers.
The Fed has nothing to do with that.
Never said it did.
You just seem to want to scapegoat a central banking system because you fundamentally do not understand what it is.
I do understand exactly what it is. It's an oligarchy that imposes price controls on money. Oligarchies don't work. Neither do price controls.

Central banks are not needed or desirable.
 
People will still buy a product, whether it was built here or built overseas.

Not if the price of that product is inflated because of tariffs, and certainly not if they don't have a job because there was no demand for whatever product they produced because you rushed to get it all out ahead of the tariffs.
 
I doubt it. It's actually causing some companies to start here and relocate here, meaning they will be hiring U.S. worker

Not one company has relocated anything to the US from overseas.

Not.

One.

Instead, several companies have moved production out of the US; BMW, Harley, Carrier among several others.
 
Never said it was because of housing.

Yes you did. But, whatever. I know it's hard for Conservatives to keep their arguments straight from post-to-post.



Definitely. We know because we just lived through that shit 10 years ago. Subprimes went bad, housing construction slowed, unemployment rose, foreclosures started because people didn't have jobs to pay their mortgages. So when you end up cutting production because you flooded your product to avoid the tariffs and there's no inventory orders, that means layoffs are a-comin'.


Nope. You lay the blame for this one firmly on the Chinese government. They OWN the steel and aluminum industries there. The stuff they are selling for supercheap is due to the taxes they impose on their own people to do it.

GOVERNMENTS DON'T PAY TARIFFS, IDIOT.

Consumers do.

When you impose tariffs on imported raw materials, the importer here pays those tariffs. They then pass the cost of those tariffs on to consumers. All you're doing is causing higher prices and job loss.
 
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