For Catholics, Christa Pike's guilt does not erase her dignity

ThatOwlWoman said:
What do you picture justice and punishment to be like in the future?

I used to support the death penalty for some cases. I don't anymore. It is not administered swiftly, consistently, or fairly. Too many Death Row convicts have been found not guilty of the crimes that put them there. Sentencing to death falls more heavily on the poor, the non-white, those with low IQs and other mental issues. But if we don't keep them locked up away from the public and other prisoners, then what do we do with them?
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I have a long, arduous response to the issues you raised here...which obviously trouble me, too...but I am not going to get into that now. The most commonly used exchange for the death penalty is Life In Prison Without the Chance of Parole. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO ENDURE THAT in my opinion. There are some people who simply cannot be allowed to run about in the general population. They include people of violence even if they have not killed; child molesters; some serial thieves.

I stand by the opinion I gave earlier.
 
Guno צְבִי said:
In his 2020 encyclical, Fratelli Tutti, Francis made the point again, quoting Pope John Paul II with the words "not even a murderer loses his personal dignity," then going on to affirm that the inalienable dignity of every human being extends even to "the worst of criminals."

The church's now categorical opposition to the death penalty represents a significant and quite recent development in Catholic teaching. For many centuries, the church accepted capital punishment, and ecclesiastical institutions participated in systems that condemned heretics and others to their deaths, most notoriously during the inquisitions.

In the Catholic tradition, Colleen Slemmer's dignity does not require Christa Pike to lose her own, just as the women and child murdered by Henri Pranzini were not further harmed because St. Thérèse prayed for their killer.

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For Catholics, Christa Pike's guilt does not erase her dignity

Long before the Catholic Church officially rejected capital punishment, Catholic stories and saints imagined divine mercy accompanying the guilty all the way to the gallows.
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Thats right a persons dignity is not reduced based on their behavior. Your opinion them will certainly be reduced but that has no effect on their dignity. This is a difficult message for people to hear.
 

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evince said:
Why asshole?
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You pop dirty for meth and fentanyl every time.

Back in your home country they would put a bullet in your brain and make your family pay the cost of the round. But here we just go through the perpetual cycle of incarceration to dry you out.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You pop dirty for meth and fentanyl every time.

Back in your home country they would put a bullet in your brain and make your family pay the cost of the round. But here we just go through the perpetual cycle of incarceration to dry you out.
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America doesn’t execute people for telling the truth
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Your country has the highest rate of capital punishment in the world.

How Many Crimes Are Punishable by Death in China？ - China Law in One Minute - China Justice Observer

In China, by 2020, there are 42 criminal offences eligible for the death penalty.
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The criminal offences eligible for the death penalty and references are as follows:

1. Betrayal of the Country (Article 102)

2. Armed rebellion, and rioting (Article 104)

3. Collaborating with the enemy and betrayal (Article 108)

4. Spying or espionage (Article 110)

5. Stealing, spying, buying, and illegally providing state secrets and intelligence abroad (Article 111)

6. Providing material support to the enemy (Article 112)

7. Arson (Article 115)

8. Flooding (Article 115)

9. Explosion (Article 115)

10. Spreading hazardous substances (Article 115)

11. Endangering public safety in dangerous ways (Article 115)

12. Destruction of vehicles (Article 119)

13. Destruction of transportation facilities (Article 119)

14. Destruction of electrical equipment (Article 119)

15. Destruction of flammable and explosive equipment (Article 119)

16. Hijacking aircraft (Article 121)

17. Illegal manufacturing, trading, transporting, mailing, storing guns, ammunition, and explosives (Article 125)

18. Theft, snatching of guns, ammunition, explosives, and dangerous substances (Article 127)

19. Robbery of guns, ammunition, explosives, and dangerous substances (Article 127)

20. Production and sale of counterfeited drugs (Article 141)

21. Intentional homicide (Article 232)

22. Intentional injury (Article 234)

23. Rape (Article 236)

24. Kidnapping (Article 239)

25. Trafficking in women and children (Article 240

26. Robbery (Article 263)

27. Riot prison escape (Article 317)

28. Gathering Crowds to raid a prison with weapons (Article 317)

29. Smuggling, selling, transporting, manufacturing drugs (Article 347)

30. Destruction of weapons and equipment, military installations, and military communications (Article 369)

31. Deliberately providing unqualified weapons and equipment, military facilities (Article 370)

32. Bribery (Article 382, 383)

33. Defying orders in wartime (Article 421)

34. Concealing and lying about military affairs (Article 422)

35. Refusal and false transmission of military orders (Article 422)

36. Surrender (Article 423)

37. Escape in wartime (Article 424)

38. Soldier defection (Article 430)

39. Stealing, spying, buying, and illegally providing military secrets abroad (Article 431)

40. Theft and snatching of weapons, equipment, and military materials (Article 438)

41. Illegal sale and transfer of weapons and equipment (Article 439)

42. Mutilating and plundering residents during wartime (Article 446)


Sounds pretty tuff on crime


Just like republicans want
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Guano is a Muslim - always has been. He is an Islamo-Nazi who advocates genocide of the Jews in Israel. A Muslim Supremacist who puts on "Jew Face" to act out every bigoted trope about Jews to smear, slander, and defame real Jews. A walking rendition of the Protocols of Zion.
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I never believed he was Jewish.
 

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“They had an open grand jury. … And even after Maxwell’s conviction, the case was on appeal — anyone in law enforcement knows you don’t open your case file when it’s still under appeal,” Brown added.


Victims were still going to the FBI with information during Biden’s term, but that changed when President Donald Trump’s Department of Justice reviewed the files and closed the case in July, Brown said.
 
How does a thread about “For Catholics, Christa Pike's guilt does not erase her dignity” morph into posts about President Trump and Epstein?
 
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