Happy Pride Month

Set limits on sex in the books, not on relationships. "Two dads" books... if your kid comes home asking about that, you have an opportunity to teach values. If they never do ask, they will later learn their values from their friends... other 13 year old morons. Is this the place you want them to learn this stuff?
 
Did I say I thought anyone's values ought to be "government approved"?
You are stating how "we" (you know the government is of the people right?) shouldn't allow the things you don't want to see. I get it if we are talking about sexualized books, images, etc. I would even agree. However, you posted examples of books and movies that simply have characters that are gay, and called that grooming... that is a far different thing.
 
You are stating how "we" (you know the government is of the people right?) shouldn't allow the things you don't want to see.

No, I am not.

you posted examples of books and movies that simply have characters that are gay, and called that grooming... that is a far different thing.

This thread is about Pride Month. You apparently decided that I only object to homosexuals grooming children based on that criteria.

I similarly posted my dislike of the film "Cuties" a while back.

 
Set limits on sex in the books, not on relationships. "Two dads" books... if your kid comes home asking about that, you have an opportunity to teach values. If they never do ask, they will later learn their values from their friends... other 13 year old morons. Is this the place you want them to learn this stuff?

Wow.
 
Set limits on sex in the books, not on relationships. "Two dads" books... if your kid comes home asking about that, you have an opportunity to teach values. If they never do ask, they will later learn their values from their friends... other 13 year old morons. Is this the place you want them to learn this stuff?
Learn what stuff, exactly?
 
Ogles (or his comms intern) was right the first time, IMO. That said, you cannot legislate morality.
 
Describe the difference, and give us some real life examples.
I’m going to say this as plainly as possible so even the liberals (@QP!) can also understand: grooming is when adults sexualize children, blur boundaries, or push minors toward sexual behavior or identity politics they are too young to process. A gay character in a cartoon is not that. A character can be gay, bi, or trans and still be presented in a normal, non-sexual way, just like a straight character can exist in a kids’ show without anybody assuming the show is “sexualizing” children. The issue is conduct and content, not mere existence or orientation. Kids should not be groomed in schools, we agree on this. Even the liberals say they do... but we should be careful to focus on where the harm is, in actual grooming, not simple characters in cartoons, for example.

IMHO Americans should be especially careful here, because once government starts deciding which ideas are allowed in art, you don’t get “protect the children,” you get a censorship machine. Florida’s school-book fights show how fast that logic expands: books like All Boys Aren’t Blue and The Bluest Eye have been removed or challenged in part over sexual content, while other LGBTQ-themed books have also been targeted by districts but simply do not sexualize the children and should not be targeted. That is a very different thing from a cartoon showing a gay character whose role is simply to exist as part of the story, like Ethan in Strange World or the same-sex couple in Lightyear.

The clean line is simple: if a kids’ show includes a gay character with no explicit sexual material, that’s representation, or simply "being". If an adult is introducing sexual material, sexual roleplay, or boundary-crossing behavior to children, that’s grooming. Conflating the two is dishonest, and it hands politicians a blank check to police culture they don’t like. To me, this is far more dangerous than some character on a cartoon being gay. Studds, he was grooming a Congressional Page... that would be a good example of actual grooming. Writing a book that informs kids that families with "two dads" exist, that is just pointing out reality.

The whole point of liberty is that adults can make their own choices, parents can raise their own children, and the state stays out of everyone’s business unless there’s actual harm. A gay cartoon character is not harm. Sexualizing minors is harm.
 
I’m going to say this as plainly as possible so even the liberals (@QP!) can also understand: grooming is when adults sexualize children, blur boundaries, or push minors toward sexual behavior or identity politics they are too young to process. A gay character in a cartoon is not that.

I disagree.

A character can be gay, bi, or trans and still be presented in a normal, non-sexual way, just like a straight character can exist in a kids’ show without anybody assuming the show is “sexualizing” children.

I don't assume it, I observe it.

The issue is conduct and content, not mere existence or orientation. Kids should not be groomed in schools, we agree on this. Even the liberals say they do... but we should be careful to focus on where the harm is, in actual grooming, not simple characters in cartoons, for example.

IMHO Americans should be especially careful here, because once government starts deciding which ideas are allowed in art, you don’t get “protect the children,” you get a censorship machine. Florida’s school-book fights show how fast that logic expands: books like All Boys Aren’t Blue and The Bluest Eye have been removed or challenged in part over sexual content, while other LGBTQ-themed books have also been targeted by districts but simply do not sexualize the children and should not be targeted. That is a very different thing from a cartoon showing a gay character whose role is simply to exist as part of the story, like Ethan in Strange World or the same-sex couple in Lightyear.

The clean line is simple: if a kids’ show includes a gay character with no explicit sexual material, that’s representation, or simply "being". If an adult is introducing sexual material, sexual roleplay, or boundary-crossing behavior to children, that’s grooming. Conflating the two is dishonest, and it hands politicians a blank check to police culture they don’t like. To me, this is far more dangerous than some character on a cartoon being gay. Studds, he was grooming a Congressional Page... that would be a good example of actual grooming. Writing a book that informs kids that families with "two dads" exist, that is just pointing out reality.

That's your take. I wouldn't want my child exposed to sexual propaganda.
The whole point of liberty is that adults can make their own choices, parents can raise their own children, and the state stays out of everyone’s business unless there’s actual harm.

Interesting. This you?

Set limits on sex in the books


A gay cartoon character is not harm. Sexualizing minors is harm.

I believe that overtly gay cartoon characters aimed at children is inherently sexualizing. Same with transvestites reading to children in public libraries.
 
I disagree.



I don't assume it, I observe it.



That's your take. I wouldn't want my child exposed to sexual propaganda.


Interesting. This you?






I believe that overtly gay cartoon characters aimed at children is inherently sexualizing. Same with transvestites reading to children in public libraries.
how is an overtly gay character in a cartoon any differently than an overly heterosexual one when it comes to sexualizing?

Should we ban all heterosexual displays including the nuclear family and heterosexual kissing, etc in media?
 
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