Hiroshima, 6 August 1945

Cypress said:
I do not celebrate it or spike the football.

It just seems to me that a case can be made it was a neccessary evil.

The right thing to do maybe was to provide more warning to the Japanese and the civilian populations what they were facing. The Potsdam conference did issue a statement warning Japan it faced utter destruction if they did not surrender unconditionally. That was obviously a veiled warning about our nuclear capability. But I am sure the threat was not direct and explicit enough for the Japanese to really take seriously.
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Did the Japanese give Pearl Harbor a 'Notice'?
 
Phantasmal said:
It was reprehensible. We are the only nation who has used a weapon of mass destruction to kill civilians. We didn’t use it on troops, we used it on men, women and children.
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Go back to eating chocolate Bon Bons and watching your Soap Operas on TV.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Without the fucking Soviets backing them, the ChiComs wouldn't have been able to take power, comrade.
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lol.. you're insane.
Soviets gave fuel and food, but Mao was the strategic planner - and did the war on his own

Maybe you could have gotten Goldwater to bomb Moscow? ROFL
 
Cypress said:
People toss that saving a million lives around like it is established fact.

We do not actually know what would have happened.

I think there is a lot of evidence the Japanese were prepared to fight on. But we will never truly know.
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We absolutely know it.

You are absolutely ignorant of what the Japanese ethos was, what the Jap government had done to prepare for the invasion, how the idea of dying for the Emperor was a 'glorious' thing. You may not understand why the "Divine Wind" concept came about and why it was so dangerous. You may not know that in many of the islands we fought to capture, only handfuls of Jap soldiers survived because they killed themselves or fought to the death.

You may not know that the Japanese govt came this ->| |<- close to continue fighting even AFTER the two bombs were dropped.

Stop telling everyone how uninformed you are now and go on YouTube and start watching documentaries about the end of the war.

Here.

The Kyūjō incident (宮城事件, Kyūjō Jiken) was an attempted military coup d'état in the Empire of Japan at the end of the Second World War. It happened on the night of 14–15 August 1945, just before the announcement of Japan's surrender to the Allies. The coup was attempted by the Staff Office of the Ministry of War of Japan and many from the Imperial Guard to stop the move to surrender.

The officers murdered Lieutenant General Takeshi Mori of the First Imperial Guards Division and attempted to counterfeit an order to the effect of occupying the Tokyo Imperial Palace (Kyūjō). They attempted to place Emperor Hirohito under house arrest, using the 2nd Brigade Imperial Guard Infantry. They failed to persuade the Eastern District Army and the high command of the Imperial Japanese Army to move forward with the action. Due to their failure to convince the remaining army to oust the Imperial House of Japan, they performed ritual suicide. As a result, the communiqué of the intent for a Japanese surrender continued as planned.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_incident
 
Trumpy said:
The idea of nuking Moscow is a short sighted, sophomoric move that, once done, quickly becomes apparent was the worst thing we could have done.
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it is an INSANE concept. Only a brain dead arrogant asshole would even speak it
 
Jack said:
I'm not sure if Cypress knows what War is all about.
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His religious convictions lead him to a higher calling. Mine lead me to comply with the Laws of War and also to end a war with overwhelming force as quickly as possible.
 
Cypress said:
Their sneak attack was profoundly treacherous.

I am talking about USA giving some kind of warning to civilian populations.
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warning for what?
to leave Hiroshima?? that would give the Japanese military ADVANCE WARNING they were targeted
 
anatta said:
it is an INSANE concept. Only a brain dead arrogant asshole would even speak it
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Only fucking commies speak out against one of the most brutal regimes in history. How many Russians were killed by the Soviets?
 
Trumpy said:
We absolutely know it.

You are absolutely ignorant of what the Japanese ethos was, what the Jap government had done to prepare for the invasion, how the idea of dying for the Emperor was a 'glorious' thing. You may not understand why the "Divine Wind" concept came about and why it was so dangerous. You may not know that in many of the islands we fought to capture, only handfuls of Jap soldiers survived because they killed themselves or fought to the death.

You may not know that the Japanese govt came this ->| |<- close to continue fighting even AFTER the two bombs were dropped.

Stop telling everyone how uninformed you are now and go on YouTube and start watching documentaries about the end of the war.
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When it comes to Warfare, you can count on Cypress and Phantasmal to be Doormats for the Fascists to wipe their boots on.
 
Cypress said:
I wasn't there in 1945, and I would never want to be in the position to make the decision. We all have the luxury of hindsight, looking back at it from a distance of 77 years.

My instinct leans towards feeling that while it was morally reprehensible, it may have been the least bad option. USA, Britain, Germany, USSR deliberately killed a lot of civilians from 1939 to 1945. All of it, strictly speaking, was morally reprehensible.
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The Atomic bomb saved lives.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Only fucking commies speak out against one of the most brutal regimes in history. How many Russians were killed by the Soviets?
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you mean by Communists?? I have no idea. it was their war.
you are advocating nuclear war as a preventative..you're nuts
 
Jack said:
When it comes to Warfare, you can count on Cypress and Phantasmal to be Doormats for the Fascists to wipe their boots on.
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They are more humanitarian than you and me. That doesn't make them the enemy like those supporting the fucking Soviets.
 
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