It makes them worthless doormats.
Hiroshima, 6 August 1945
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It makes them worthless doormats.
My father, aunt, grandmother, and grandfather lived under a Japanese military occupation and had their house confiscated by officers of the Kwangtung Army.
the Soviets are LONG GONE.
your Goldwater brain is stuck in 1964
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We do know it took TWO bombs for Japan to bend the knee. If Japan was killing American GI's they would have likely continued fighting in a land invasion.
Not if the majority were like us. I do not support war. I never have. I have been a pacifist my whole life. I will die a pacifist.
Yes. You would be in some Slave Labor Camp. Sucking your thumb. Wondering "Why didn't somebody do something?".
True. OTOH, that's an Impossible Dream....which happens to be one of my favorite songs.
Here's my favorite version:
Gen. Patton wanted to do it and from the limited perspective of a battlefield commander, it made sense.
But it failed to take into account the consequences.
Look at how America is resented or hated by many peoples and governments of the world today and try to imagine the enthusiasm there would be among the countries and peoples of the world to join forces to defeat US if we had done such a thing.
And what would we be forced to do to protect ourselves from them?
We would have had to become the monsters that many say we are today, but the reality would have been worse and it would be true and not just a puffed up accusation by air heads who know nothing.
I respect the moral principle implied by your opinion
That's good, but unreasonable to expect from people as this forum constantly proves. It's not simply a matter of conditioning people to be pacifists since, like "brainwashing", that's only a temporary fix before their individual natures take over again.
Without genetic manipulation and conditioning programs, it's as unreasonable to expect we can stamp out war as the Stalin and Mao thought they could stamp out religion.
I’m very sorry. It’s why I hate war. The civilians suffer because of the egos of the leaders who sit in their comfortable places and decide what happens to the rest of us.
We cannot put that evil genie back in the bottle. I am heartened, however, that in the last 76 years humanity has not used that dreadful weapon again.
Yet.
we were not at war with Russia - i have no idea what Patton wanted. It's too bizarre to even debate
You don't have to fear 'the majority' of people. You have to fear the 'Minority' that want to impose their Will upon everyone else.
You are right, you will never die a Warrior, you will die on your knees.
B-29s were capable of flying in the stratosphere and were virtually untouchable by what little remained of Japanese air defenses in August 1945.
True, but you're still pining for them like Putin does.
You use that insult a lot yet you don't understand it. I'm not pining for Goldwater like you are for Putin. I'm simply advocating that a conservative party use more logic and less emotion, that they become proponents for national security and the economy, not divisive assholes attacking both Americans and our Constitution.
I know I’m an idealist, but it is my type that keep humans, humane. I will always hope that we embrace our better nature.
Hopefully no Americans are forced to die due to your pacifism.
And if you don't understand how that would even be possible, that shows why you don't yet grasp the consequences of pacifism and why it may be a comforting conceit (somewhat in the same way that Marxism is a comforting conceit) but it is suicide or surrender for a nation.
And a less idealistic person, government, entity, force will always be your master.
Hmmm ... ever hear of "The Rape of Nanking" ... or "The Code of Bushido" ... I didn't think so.
Typical warmonger