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๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ ๐๐ฒ๐ ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ต ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐น๐บ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ต ๐๐ผ๐๐ป๐๐ ๐๐น ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ ๐ฎ๐ณ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐ผ๐ผ๐ป (๐๐ถ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ผ)
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This type of jet probably had no recorders. It is not usual to require them.
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The pilot didn't know the cell was there.
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Approx 690mph (not very accurate yet, of course). This is an estimate by the NTSB.
This is faster than the design speed of the aircraft.
Hence, the whistle you hear before it strikes the ground.
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Quite right. A typical pattern.
Guno ืฆึฐืึดื
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They had enough fuel for another thousand miles according to their range, if they left with full tanks
Guno ืฆึฐืึดื
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Flight times from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) to the Bahamas 3 hours and 20 minutes
The straight-line flight distance from Austin, Texas, to Nassau in the Bahamas is 1,287 miles
Learjet 60 range about 2,500 to 2,773 miles
The straight-line flight distance from Austin, Texas, to Nassau in the Bahamas is 1,287 miles
Learjet 60 range about 2,500 to 2,773 miles
Guno ืฆึฐืึดื
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
Family members identified the passengers as Adam Robinson, 45; his wife, Helen Sharp, 40; their children, Charlie, 4, and Emma, 2; the children's nanny, Anita Maria Cetina; and another couple, Rachael Reed and Charmi Fehr
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They are not a beginner's aircraft. To fly one, you have to be type certified. This little jet has two engines mounted somewhat rearward, along with a T-tail. Both of these produce some interesting behaviors that you have to be trained to specifically handle. It's not particularly difficult, but you do have to be aware of it. Mostly it's about handling the speed and the loading, as well as complex avionics. Fortunately, you have a copilot to help you.
The pilot was type certified. She had been flying since before being old enough to drive a car. I only know one other pilot like this (he currently flies for United).
Lawn dart. That wasnโt just an engine failure.At least 9 dead.
This is incredible....
An airplane with no engines running is a glider, even a jet. That thing dove into the ground at full speed. More like a catastophic control failure.
Air Transat Flight 236 - Wikipedia
The Gimli Glider
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Air Canada Flight 143 was a scheduled domestic passenger flightbetween Montreal and Edmonton. On July 23, 1983,[1] the Boeing 767servicing the route ran out of fuel midway through the flight. The fuel gauge was not operating, and the plane's tanks had been underfilled because of an incorrect calculation.
The flight crew successfully glidedthe aircraft from an altitude of 41,000 feet (12,500 m) to an emergency landing at a former Royal Canadian Air Force base in Gimli, Manitoba, which had been converted to a racetrack, Gimli Motorsports Park.[2][3] The landing caused no serious injuries to passengers or persons on the ground, and only minor damage to the aircraft. The aircraft was repaired, and remained in service until its retirement in 2008. This unusual aviation accident earned the aircraft the nickname "Gimli Glider".[4]
Gimli Glider - Wikipedia
The flight crew successfully glidedthe aircraft from an altitude of 41,000 feet (12,500 m) to an emergency landing at a former Royal Canadian Air Force base in Gimli, Manitoba, which had been converted to a racetrack, Gimli Motorsports Park.[2][3] The landing caused no serious injuries to passengers or persons on the ground, and only minor damage to the aircraft. The aircraft was repaired, and remained in service until its retirement in 2008. This unusual aviation accident earned the aircraft the nickname "Gimli Glider".[4]
Guno ืฆึฐืึดื
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They flew directly into the thunder storm , was their radar broken?An airplane with no engines running is a glider, even a jet. That thing dove into the ground at full speed. More like a catastophic control failure.
Air Transat Flight 236 was a transatlantic flight bound for Lisbon, Portugal, from Toronto, Canada, that lost all engine power while flying over the Atlantic Ocean in the dark on August 24, 2001. The Airbus A330ran out of fuel because of a fuel leak caused by improper maintenance.Air Transat Flight 236 - Wikipedia
That would do it.
Nomad
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IDK, but Learjets are pretty tough. It would have to be a massive storm coupled with plenty of stupidity on the part of the pilots.
Theyโll use radar to track the aircraft altitudes and speeds plus look at weather radar at the time. Theyโll also go over the maintenance logs. The aircraft looked mostly intact, but as mentioned, but be missing the horizontal stabilizer or elevator which would cause the โlawn dartโ effect.
The Learjet has a history of tailplane icing. That would have the same effect as losing the horizontal stabilizer or elevators.