Melania Trump, most unpopular First Lady ever?

 
Controlled Opposition said:
More mind-reading.
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It is akin to prostitution. She sold her looks and body for money, knowing he was not going to honor his wedding vows. He stepped out on all his wives. She accepted that because love was not part of the equation. We have all seen her yanking her hand away from his orange paw. She did not want to go to DC. It took her over 6 months to show up. They sleep in separate bedrooms.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
IF Hillary Clinton was as you say she is, why isn't she the most revered elder statesmen since Jimmy Carter?
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After her first run for President, she did become Secretary of State, which is sort of like an elder statesman. Bill Clinton did start doing charity, and diplomatic work.

Lately both have mostly retired. They still have some charity work, but are not doing much public work. I guess they just are lazier than Carter.
 
RB 60 said:
I never hated Michelle. I did criticize her waste of taxpayer's money for her lavish personal vacations, but nothing more. I never criticized her for anything else.

Your hatred clouds your thinking, Walt. "Be better..."
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Less money than taxpayers put out for Laura Bush's personal vacations.
 
CASPER said:
Agree 100%. I see she is not following tradition in working with the incoming First Lady to discuss her causes and knowledge of the position, I assume it is because the donald would get huffy, but she probably should have done it anyway.
Funny thing is I never even knew there was a popularity rating for the First Lady, but should have known that everyone gets rated these days.
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I wondered about that, too. So many people talk or write about her independent streak, having a mind of her own and not being afraid to speak out. Not inviting Jill to the WH according to tradition is just pettiness on her part.
 
Trumpet said:
Are you referring to hate of right wing terrorism.
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Hate of regular people that did the best they knew how for America.
Don't worry, you won't see that again anytime soon. Does that make you happy?
Personally I think your priorities are all fucked up.
 
Nordberg said:
Melania was a business transaction. She sold her looks and silence for a secure and fancy life. Trump has no idea of love. Everything is a deal, money paid out and something coming back. She learned. She redid the prenup when he became the accidental president. Trump is a broken person. I am glad we are rid of him.
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Just my opinion but I think that emotionally, both of them are cold as ice so they're made for each other.
 
cawacko said:
I spent about six years in L.A. and I saw a lot of transactional relationships. It's a whole town premised on being something they're not:

Hot Girl: I'm an actress (she works at Starbucks and dreams of being an actress)

Guy: Oh really, I'm a producer (when in reality he's like 10th in line and at the bottom of the food chain of some production)

Hot Girl: (in Valley Girl voice) Really? Like, who do you work for?

Guy: Precedes to lie, or greatly stretch the truth, and name drops some big time person


This type of deal was never ending. I get that people don't like the Trumps but guys trying to impress hot women, and hot women hooking up with men with money has been going on I'd assume since the beginning of time but is definitely not a new phenomenon.
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LOL OMG That was spot on for my gay brother when was younger. The constant name dropping and snobbish attitudes and the super hyper focus on status and money. Sounds like he would have loved LA.
 
Cypress said:
Cheers. I would have never made any assumptions about you.

I really just meant that the transactional nature of Melania's relationship with Trump is based on finances and money, not based on green cards.

I actually think the concept of beautiful Asian and Slavic women beating doors down to marry middle aged, overweight American men just to get a green card is a little bit of an urban legend, a little overblown.
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Oh it’s grossly over blown to a degree of arrogance and bigotry you would have to experience to believe. It’s actually pretty fucking insulting too.

I mean people will say that “she’s just using you to come here for a green card” while being utterly fucking clueless that her quality of life with her Middle Class family in a tropical paradise like Dumageutte is vastly fucking superior to living in Warsaw Indiana or White Plains New York.

I mean money aside can you imagine the sacrifice a Thai girl from Phuket Thailand would be making to marry some schlub from some total shithole place in the US? You’re average American simply can’t wrap their head around the fact that where they live might simply blow fucking chunks compared to other parts of the world. So then they make this sacrifice for love of another to move to said shit hole and then have to listen to people who are completely clueless and lack the imagination to understand that they are living in a shit hole say “They’re just using you for a green card”. That be some pretty arrogant shit man.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh it’s grossly over blown to a degree of arrogance and bigotry you would have to experience to believe. It’s actually pretty fucking insulting too.

I mean people will say that “she’s just using you to come here for a green card” while being utterly fucking clueless that her quality of life with her Middle Class family in a tropical paradise like Dumageutte is vastly fucking superior to living in Warsaw Indiana or White Plains New York.

I mean money aside can you imagine the sacrifice a Thai girl from Phuket Thailand would be making to marry some schlub from some total shithole place in the US? You’re average American simply can’t wrap their head around the fact that where they live might simply blow fucking chunks compared to other parts of the world. So then they make this sacrifice for love of another to move to said shit hole and then have to listen to people who are completely clueless and lack the imagination to understand that they are living in a shit hole say “They’re just using you for a green card”. That be some pretty arrogant shit man.
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makes a whole lot of sense

It is outrageous hubris for some redneck to think beautiful women from Asia or Eastern Europe are beating down doors to get a chance to live with him in South Bend, Indiana and a chance at a green card

I know attractive women from Moscow and Saint Petersburg who would laugh at the thought of moving 7000 miles away from family to live with some pudgy dimwit in Bismarck North Dakota just to get a green card.
For the most part, it just seems mostly like an urban legend..
 
Cypress said:
makes a whole lot of sense

It is outrageous hubris for some redneck to think beautiful women from Asia or Eastern Europe are beating down doors to get a chance to live with him in South Bend, Indiana and a chance at a green card

I know attractive women from Moscow and Saint Petersburg who would laugh at the thought of moving 7000 miles away from family to live with some pudgy dimwit in Bismarck North Dakota just to get a green card.
For the most part, it just seems mostly like an urban legend..
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Oh it’s not just middle aged fat rednecks who do that shit. I heard that shit from just about everyone I knew. First was the mail order bride cracks. I mean I don’t know if such a thing exist cause I’ve never met one but that was pretty insulting.

Then of course came the “she’s just using you for a green card” which is insulting on multiple levels.

I heard that shit from my own parents and siblings.

A couple of examples. My late father was a physician and not exactly known for his tact. He’d say outrageous shit to me that would be fighting words if anyone else said them and he did with intent to piss me. Of course over time I learned how to ignore his criticism with my sangfroid intact. Well when I told my father I was engaged to a Filipina I had done my due diligence. I’d been in a long distance relationship with her for a year and a half, had met her and her family multiple times, none of the red flags of being used were there, etc,.

So by the time we were engaged we both knew each other pretty well. Well I tell my pops about our engagement and he just scornfully laughs at me and said “That Flip is just going to take you for a ride and split the minute she gets her green card”.

Most anyone else would have been royally pissed but I know my pops and my misses so I said to my pops “ Dad it would take her one minute to wrap you around her little finger. He thought that was funny and laughed.

Well about a year later we completed the k-2 visa and my bride to be comes to the US and shortly there after we visit my parents. It turned out I was wrong about taking her one minute to wrap my father around her little finger. We walked into my parents home and my girl ran across the room, threw her arms around my father in a hug, looked up at him, smiled and said “Hi Dad”.

My pops looked up at me and it was game over. It took her less then ten seconds to wrap him around her little finger. I never heard any green card cracks from that quarter again.

Then there was the time my sister, who like me grew up in rural Ohio but unlike me remained there in little old Coldwater. She made a critical comment to the misses about us living in Columbus and how she couldn’t live in a big city to which my wife bluntly replied “I’d rather move back to the Philippines than live in Coldwater,OH.”.

My sisters jaw hit the floor as she could not get her head around that. Lol

Anyways it’s just amazing how grossly naive most Americans are that where they live might not actually be the cultural center of the universe.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh it’s not just middle aged fat rednecks who do that shit. I heard that shit from just about everyone I knew. First was the mail order bride cracks. I mean I don’t know if such a thing exist cause I’ve never met one but that was pretty insulting.

Then of course came the “she’s just using you for a green card” which is insulting on multiple levels.

I heard that shit from my own parents and siblings.

A couple of examples. My late father was a physician and not exactly known for his tact. He’d say outrageous shit to me that would be fighting words if anyone else said them and he did with intent to piss me. Of course over time I learned how to ignore his criticism with my sangfroid intact. Well when I told my father I was engaged to a Filipina I had done my due diligence. I’d been in a long distance relationship with her for a year and a half, had met her and her family multiple times, none of the red flags of being used were there, etc,.

So by the time we were engaged we both knew each other pretty well. Well I tell my pops about our engagement and he just scornfully laughs at me and said “That Flip is just going to take you for a ride and split the minute she gets her green card”.

Most anyone else would have been royally pissed but I know my pops and my misses so I said to my pops “ Dad it would take her one minute to wrap you around her little finger. He thought that was funny and laughed.

Well about a year later we completed the k-2 visa and my bride to be comes to the US and shortly there after we visit my parents. It turned out I was wrong about taking her one minute to wrap my father around her little finger. We walked into my parents home and my girl ran across the room, threw her arms around my father in a hug, looked up at him, smiled and said “Hi Dad”.

My pops looked up at me and it was game over. It took her less then ten seconds to wrap him around her little finger. I never heard any green card cracks from that quarter again.

Then there was the time my sister, who like me grew up in rural Ohio but unlike me remained there in little old Coldwater. She made a critical comment to the misses about us living in Columbus and how she couldn’t live in a big city to which my wife bluntly replied “I’d rather move back to the Philippines than live in Coldwater,OH.”.

My sisters jaw hit the floor as she could not get her head around that. Lol

Anyways it’s just amazing how grossly naive most Americans are that where they live might not actually be the cultural center of the universe.
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I think mail order brides was always an urban legend.

The people who put you down like that were being jack asses.

I blame the myth of American exceptionalism. The American peasants simply believe it is entirely plausible that legions of beautiful women from Eurasia are beating down the doors, and willing to ditch their families, simply in order to manipulate some dupe into getting them a green card. I am sure there have been expectations, but for the most part that concept is pure American hubris.
 
Cypress said:
I think mail order brides was always an urban legend.

The people who put you down like that were being jack asses.

I blame the myth of American exceptionalism. The American peasants simply believe it is entirely plausible that legions of beautiful women from Eurasia are beating down the doors, and willing to ditch their families, simply in order to manipulate some dupe into getting them a green card. I am sure there have been expectations, but for the most part that concept is pure American hubris.
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Oh absolutely. Before we got hitched I looked up the divorce rate of Fil-Am couples. It was 25% and most of those were where the age difference was greater than 20+ years or the American spouse lacked the financial means to support a wife and family. Having said that the US divorce rate at that time was 50%! Which meant by statistics my odds of having a succesful marriage to a Filipina was 50% better than marrying an American woman. LOL

However not being the type to bullshit themselves I had an honest appraisal of our relationship and it was super easy for me to ignore all the stupid, insensitive and bigoted comments because I was the happiest I had ever been in my life....and still am. :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL OMG That was spot on for my gay brother when was younger. The constant name dropping and snobbish attitudes and the super hyper focus on status and money. Sounds like he would have loved LA.
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For sure!! I mean, LA isn't the only place this occurs of course but it is soooo ingrained in the culture. L.A. was a culture shock to me coming from Northern California. I've told you I met my best friend Freshman year and he came from Bucyrus. It might as well been a different country for him! Haha.

I have a fraternity buddy who works in the industry. He worked for David Dobkin who directed Wedding Crashers. So my buddy got to party with Vince Vaughn and other cast members during the filming. He and I would go out and he would tell that to every girl he met. What's funny is he would say 'I work with David Dobkin, not 'I work for David Dobkin' (and he was a grunt at that). But girls would eat it up because they thought my buddy could do something for them. He scored all the time with it. Eventually of course they figure out he had no power but that's how the game is played... (Girls would look at me and I'd be like 'I work in real estate, I've got nothing for you'. Haha.)

For most of us 'normal' folks this is foreign to us but in places like L.A. and N.Y. its common occurrence.
 
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cawacko said:
For sure!! I mean, LA isn't the only place this occurs of course but it is soooo ingrained in the culture. L.A. was a culture shock to me coming from Northern California. I've told you I met my best friend Freshman year and he came from Bucyrus. It might as well been a different country for him! Haha.

I have a fraternity buddy who works in the industry. He worked for David Dobkin who directed Wedding Crashers. So my buddy got to party with Vince Vaughn and other cast members during the filming. He and I would go out and he would tell that to every girl he met. What's funny is he would say 'I work with David Dobkin, not 'I work for David Dobkin' (and he was a grunt at that). But girls would eat it up because they thought my buddy could do something for them. He scored all the time with it. Eventually of course they figure out he had no power but that's how the game is played... (Girls would look at me and I'd be like 'I work in real estate, I've got nothing for you'. Haha.)

For most of us 'normal' folks this is foreign to us but in places like L.A. and N.Y. its common occurrence.
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Miami is kind of like that. Back in the late 90's I was assigned to go to Miami and work on a product testing project for an abrasive product I had developed using industrial waste materials from a steel plant. The consultant we had hired was a real arrogant jerk and my boss did not trust him and assigned me to the project to make sure it was done properly and we got the information we needed from this pompous ass. So when we started working on the test this asshole treated me like a gopher and I put up with it and kept my mouth shut, made sure the testing met ASME standards which was a real trick to do without revealing I was the companies product development chemist. Since I was wearing work blues and kept my mouth shut this dick just thought I was just a working stiff. This guy treated me the whole time like I was an illiterate gopher. I just can't describe how big an asshole this jerk was.

Well the place where we were doing the test at had about a half a dozen super hot latina babes working there and while we were working on our test they just completely ignored me. They would look at me like I wasn't even there. Dressed in work blues I didn't look that impressive.

Well one day I when this dick head consultant was out to lunch I asked to use their phone so I could call my boss and give him a status report. That turned into a very technical discussion about our product and the testing result, complying with product specification and environmental compliance issues, yadda, yadda,yadda. When I hung up the girls were looking at me like I was an Alien from outer space. One of them asked me...what the hell were you guys talking about. It sounded like a foreign language. That's when I told them that I was actually the companies production chemist and not to tell the dick head consultant what they had over heard me discussing with my boss.

Boy what a turn around. As soon as they found out I was a college educated chemist they became real friendly. I even took one out for a date and boy was that a hot date.

My point being is that you can be a multimillionare but if you dress like an average dude people will look down their nose at you but if you dress the part of a dime store millionare and act like a snob people will believe that you are something that you are not.
 
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