Renee Good's family sues Trump administration over fatal Minneapolis shooting

[BartenderElite]

So much of a threat that the other officer present, at least 6 of them, didn't use any deadly force, and in fact didn't even threaten to?

There were other officers around in the Good scenario....correct?

You keep trying to find a loophole.

 

[Into the Night]

Then we can all agree that they were the ones that initiated the contact by acting as traffic officers.

1. They can act as traffic officers.
2. Interfering with federal law enforcement officers is a FEDERAL CRIME.

She had to have actively interfered in a specific duty they were in the process of carrying out to have interfered.

She did.

What duty were they performing?

Arresting and transporting an illegal alien.

Traffic cop is not one of their duties.

1. They can act as traffic officers.
2. Interfering with federal law enforcement officers is a FEDERAL CRIME.

Good may have been in the wrong but the federal agents were also in the wrong.

Fallacy fallacy. No kettle fallacy occurred.

Good's actions were not serious enough to cause her death.

Yes they were.

Once again, you try to argue that ICE agents are traffic cops.

They can be.
Good was committing a FEDERAL CRIME.

They aren't.

They can be.

Good interfering with traffic negates your claim she interfered with federal officers.

Attempted proof by word game.
She committed a federal crime. She compounded it by attempting to run over a federal officer with her car.

The fact that some agents went around her proves she was NOT interfering with the federal agents.

She was. They detained her for that reason.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There were other officers around in the Good scenario....correct?

You keep trying to find a loophole.

Yes. One was actively trying to arrest her and was in the process of trying to open her car door. Another was engaged in interaction with Good's 'partner.' A third was videoing the scene since the officers didn't have body cams. I'd think you'd find that admirable. Another was coming up behind the officer at her car door.

In other words, all the officers present were actively engaged with the suspect(s) in one way or another.

Do keep trying to find a loophole though.

 

[Into the Night]

This is where you start to go off the rails.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

If they weren't looking to interact then they would have driven past her.

They were on foot, moron.

Except it was possible to drive around her which means they were not interfered with.

She was blocking the road intentionally blocking federal law enforcement officers from transporting a prisoner.

Only after the agents stopped instead of driving around her.

There are more agents than the ones that surrounded her car, moron.

ICE agents were not forced into it.

Correct. They joined the force voluntarily. The successfully worked hard and completed their demanding training.
When Renee Good tried to drive over one of them, they responded in self defense and to stop a fleeing felon.

Any agent that claims they were forced would likely be committing perjury since they were able to drive around her.

The ones around her car were on foot, moron. She was blocking a truck. She was doing it intentionally.

This is some pretty easy stuff.

Apparently not for you!

If someone stands in a doorway but leaves room for others to pass by and you then attack that person for blocking the doorway, would you be in the right? That is the same question any jury would use to test the actions of the officers.

She was blocking a truck, moron.

 

[BartenderElite]

Yes. One was actively trying to arrest her and was in the process of trying to open her car door. Another was engaged in interaction with Good's 'partner.' A third was videoing the scene since the officers didn't have body cams. I'd think you'd find that admirable. Another was coming up behind the officer at her car door.

In other words, all the officers present were actively engaged with the suspect(s) in one way or another.

Do keep trying to find a loophole though.

I don't need to. I'm not the one w/ double standards here.

 

[Into the Night]

There were other officers around in the Good scenario....correct?

You keep trying to find a loophole.

YOU keep trying to find a loophole.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't need to. I'm not the one w/ double standards here.

Buzzword fallacy.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I don't need to. I'm not the one w/ double standards here.

You're standard is the Left is in the right, the cops are in the wrong, unless the cops are doing what the Left wants doing.

 

[IBDaMann]

There is video. It clearly shows her turning her car to the right just before she is shot.

Nope. There is nothing clear about any video presented, other than Ross was in front of the car and Good ran him over.

You use the word "clearly" to describe the unclear things as you wish them to be in your HATRED for America and for We the People.

Gosh. And yet you were making wild ass speculations when you were no where near there.

I made no speculations. I supported everything I said, including the testimony of people who were there, as opposed to people who claim that their lies are somehow "clearly" shown in video that doesn't show anything.

Video exist.

So does peanut butter.

I am capable of watching video.

You are not capable of being honest.

Say it: "Renee Good drove her car into Jonathan Ross, struck him and caused internal bleeding." Once you do, we might be able to have a productive conversation. Otherwise, you are pushing a completely false narrative.

 

[IBDaMann]

A State does not resist police commands. A State commissions a police force. They are typically called the State Police, State Trooper, or similar. You can typically find them patrolling highways and freeways.

The Constitution does not describe what you have to tell them. The Constitution doesn't apply to the population, Kewpie.
DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION THAT YOU DESPISE!

Disobeying police is a leftist thing.

It is DEMOCRATS rioting.
It is DEMOCRATS fighting cops.
It is DEMOCRATS figuring they are 'sovereign citizens'.
It is DEMOCRATS looting.
It is DEMOCRATS using cars to block federal law enforcement officers.
It is DEMOCRATS trespassing on federal property to block or even try to damage law enforcement officers.
It is DEMOCRATS harboring illegal aliens.
It is DEMOCRATS supporting organized crime.
It is DEMOCRATS calling for civil war against citizens of the United States, and law enforcement officers with them.
It is DEMOCRATS that deny and discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.

It is DEMOCRATS who want to disarm us all so that they can more easily perpetrate their crimes against us all.

 

[Earl]

There is a lack of American identity with these Democratic/Socialist/Communists.

They express their vitriol daily.

This is a Constitutional Republic, for 250 years with Capitalism as the economic unit.

If you prefer Socialism/Communism, emigrate to Cuba or Venezuela or China or the Russian Federation.

You can leave tomorrow.

 

[IBDaMann]

Far more educated than any of you magats who i literally just had to find out already knew that the pronoun "I' is capitalized.

FTFY. Can we learn more from you about grammar and spelling?

 

[WCM]

There were other officers around in the Good scenario....correct?

You keep trying to find a loophole.

The first time we all saw those pictures, the FBI was saying that they didn't have any assets within that mob, and of course most conservatives knew better, and they were even denying that Ray Epps was an agent provocateur or even guilty of sedition, but what is the "official" version now? 275?

There were 270+ of them, but not all of them went into the capital or something?

And at least one of the people who made it that far was an agent provocateur... It's the black guy who was one of the ringleaders at the attack on the WH in Aug 2020.

 

[Walt]

They can act as traffic officers.

Actually, I do not believe ICE can act as traffic officers.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Two lawsuits were filed -

They are suing the US government for the actions of it's employees. You might want to research the actual lawsuit before you make yourself look foolish when you critique other about knowing nothing about how the law and justice system work.
Defendant United States of America, acting through DHS and its components
ICE and CBP, is the proper defendant for claims brought under the FTCA. 28 U.S.C. §§
1346(b), 2679.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/74901862/ganger-v-united-states/

The second lawsuit is filed against multiple individuals in a conspiracy to violate civil rights.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/74901903/ganger-v-ross/

Qualified immunity is not a defense in either lawsuit.

the suits were filed at the beginning of the month and the government/agents have not yet responded. They will request qualified immunity and they will get it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Actually, I do not believe ICE can act as traffic officers.

They can if they are running an operation in that area. They control the area, including traffic.

 

[Walt]

They can if they are running an operation in that area. They control the area, including traffic.

ICE is not allowed to "control" areas. They do not enforce state laws, and traffic laws are state laws. They do not enforce general federal laws.

 

[WCM]

They can if they are running an operation in that area. They control the area, including traffic.

That actually makes sense from a safety & security POV.

It would be kinda weird if they were conducting a dangerous raid but couldn't prevent civilians from driving by or escaping.

 

[WCM]

ICE is not allowed to "control" areas. They do not enforce state laws, and traffic laws are state laws. They do not enforce general federal laws.

No one said that they would randomly control an area, but it would be an absolute disaster if they went in to do a dangerous raid and then a school bus full of children drove by.

Hell, even people pouring cement for a sidewalk can do traffic control.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

ICE is not allowed to "control" areas. They do not enforce state laws, and traffic laws are state laws. They do not enforce general federal laws.

any federal law enforcement agency, including ICE since it is enforcing immigration law, conducting an operation within the US CONTROLS the area like a crime scene.