This is historic

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?94693-Korean-Spring
SEOUL, South Korea — Kim Jong-un on Friday became the first North Korean leader to set foot in South Korean-controlled territory, starting a historic summit meeting with the South’s president that will test Mr. Kim’s willingness to bargain away his nuclear weapons.

The historic encounter at the Peace House, a conference building on the South Korean side of the border village of Panmunjom, could set the tone for an even more critical meeting planned between Mr. Kim and President Trump.

On Friday morning, Mr. Kim emerged from a North Korean administrative building inside Panmunjom, and walked toward the border line, where Mr. Moon was waiting. The two leaders smiled and shook hands across a concrete slab that marks the border bisecting Panmunjom.

Then, Mr. Kim stepped across the border.

After the two leaders posed for photos, they crossed briefly into the North’s territory at Mr. Kim’s suggestion, another highly symbolic moment. They then stepped backed into South Korean territory, holding hands, and walked down a red carpet to inspect a South Korean military honor guard and enter the Peace House.

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Korea Talks Begin as Kim Jong-un Enters South's Side of DMZ - The New York Times
 
No risks, no reward lol.

Trump took some pretty hefty political risks, so I don’t know if ‘easy’ is the right word for it. He deserves credit for it.
indeed. don't look for the TDS crowd to give Trumo any credit -
but clearly the MAXIMUM PRESSURE CAMPAIGN brought kim un to the table .
Obama's "strategic patience" was a hands off approach.

Trump worked the UN and sanctions, and got China to get serious with their banking system etc.

I have serious doubts where this goes -but I'm hopeful for a verified process of denuke.
It would not be happening without Trump -even Moon says so
 
I have been message boarding for close to two decades, and I have virtually never seen conservatives taking the time to express genuine concern about the humanitarian plight of the North Korean people. It was months ago that your Orange Hero was talking about bombing North Korea back to the stone age in an epic firestorm of military strikes. A vast crime against humanity, when you really think about it.

So, I do not think you have any consistent, long-standing, genuine concern for the humanitarian needs of the North Korean people...and you simply see this as another opportunity to slip on a cheerleading skirt, pick up some pom-poms, and cheer for your Orange Pig.

But in the end, will your opinion matter lol.

The un-TDS afflicted will see this as foreign policy victory that occurred under Trump’s leadership. It’s a fact, that Trump pushed for extreme sanctions, got them, and credibly threatened NK—and by extension, China.
 
It wasn’t Trump’s rhetoric so much as the credible threat that lurked behind it.

Kim has never known a credible threat until Trump came along. China, also perceived Trump to be a credible threat to NK so they finally got serious.

And it’s turned out that Kim is most probably a rational actor, after all.
yep.
That is the MAXIMUM PRESSURE strategy. Kim is rational, but that doesn't mean he's not an existential threat either.

The status quo Trump inherited is unacceptable.. "I inherited a mess" ( Trump)
 
Trump does not deserve the credit for this in any way.

BUT EVEN IF HE DID...

...Donald Trump is still the most classless, ignorant, disgusting persons ever to hold the presidency...with the possible exception of the president he holds in such high esteem, Andrew Jackson.

Donald Trump is an abomination; a man who gives credence to the worst thoughts of people around the world who hold American in scorn and contempt.

He will always be that...even if he were to invent a perpetual motion machine...or a renewable, extremely low cost source of electric power.

He is a man with no class...little knowledge and even less interest in actually learning.
ROFL.
"Trump could cure cancer and they'd complain he's putting doctors out of business"
 
Hello noise,

indeed. don't look for the TDS crowd to give Trumo any credit -
but clearly the MAXIMUM PRESSURE CAMPAIGN brought kim un to the table .
Obama's "strategic patience" was a hands off approach.

Trump worked the UN and sanctions, and got China to get serious with their banking system etc.

I have serious doubts where this goes -but I'm hopeful for a verified process of denuke.
It would not be happening without Trump -even Moon says so

-An example of Americans thinking the whole world revolves around them.
 
Hello noise,
-An example of Americans thinking the whole world revolves around them.
hello back
I suggest you research what the "Maximum pressure" campaign entails.

It's a UN/China (Russia?) and interested partys campaign to starve NK of money and access to banking.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/north-korea-maximum-pressure-campaign
WASHINGTON (Sinclair Broadcast Group) — President Donald Trump ratcheted up his administration's "maximum pressure campaign" this week by re-designating North Korea a state sponsor of terrorism and imposing new economic sanctions on four Chinese shipping companies and over a dozen North Korean entities and shipping vessels. The timing of the penalties is significant, falling on the heels of Trump's visit to Beijing and a high-level Chinese visit to Pyongyang.

The new sanctions, announced by the Treasury Department on Tuesday singled out entities that previously avoided being targeted by the U.S., the shipping vessels and shipping companies that were able to transit goods to and from North Korea, providing a critical economic lifeline.
 
Its completely dark...

North Korea: it's not a problem that our country goes dark at night | The ...

https://www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Asia

Feb 9, 2015 - A photo taken from space and showing a pitch black North Korea next to a brightly lit South Korea is one of the most famous images of the country. And the country's ruling regime has responded to the picture, hitting out at critics of the state

Have you ever seen a satellite picture of North Korea at night? Life there must be unbearable.

FWIU, because food is so scarce there, out in the country, the people long ago took to eating grass and the bark off of tree trunks. If you look across the border from SK into NK, the tree line ends abruptly. They're mostly gone due to decades of having their bark stripped off, killing them.

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Meanwhile, Kim travels around the country in vehicles with his own private toilet.
 
biggest problem is convincing kim we're not going to regime change him like we did in Iraq/Libya.
Maybe China can guarantee their security.

There are a lot of moving pieces,but the pieces can fit if it's worked
 
I wouldn't be shocked to learn that this whole playing nice thing by Kim is part of an elaborate plot to get Trump over in the region where they can launch a missile attack and kill him along with anyone else unfortunate enough to be there at the time. Or possibly shoot down AF1 as it's landing.
 
This is nothing but a farce. There will be no peace.
I'm a student of history, and over 90 percent of all history is about war.
Peace is an aberration. Short lived, and doomed to failure.
War is the human condition. Always has been. Always will be.
 
This is nothing but a farce. There will be no peace.
I'm a student of history, and over 90 percent of all history is about war.
Peace is an aberration. Short lived, and doomed to failure.
War is the human condition. Always has been. Always will be.
peace doesn't make the history books
 
ROFL.
"Trump could cure cancer and they'd complain he's putting doctors out of business"

Yeah, sure.

Because with that fantastic, terrific, tremendous, incredible, stupendous and yuge brain of his, if anyone is going to cure cancer, it will be Donald Trump.

Yeah, sure. :palm:
 
Yeah, sure.

Because with that fantastic, terrific, tremendous, incredible, stupendous and yuge brain of his, if anyone is going to cure cancer, it will be Donald Trump.

Yeah, sure. :palm:
i see you don't get an allegory..results matter..talk is cheap...we'll see
 
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