Trump's new 'Patriot Party' signals the death knell of the GOP, permanent Dem rule
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Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Think about it. The last 3 Republican presidents
Bush Sr, Bush Jr and Trump,
grew up in privilege and wealth.
The last 3 Democratic presidents
Clinton, Obama, Biden,
grew up in modest, middle class households.
And the Dems have won the popular vote in seven out of the last eight elections.
Trump was the best thing to happen to the Democratic party.
We are a Banana Republic. Our opinions, including yours, mean nothing to the people now in power. Keep sucking at the pump.
He'll set up PACs and farm them for cash ala $arah Palin. He had a taste of fame and glory and power and wants it again.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I have pointed that out for many years as you well know...but why then did they support them? Also, you're talking in the past when conformity to "conservative" ideology was a litmus test. Which would explain why a political moderate such as myself was a Republican.
That also brings up the question, why then did so many Jane and John Six Packs support them?
Maybe eventually, but not right away. You would be shocked at all the non-insurrectionists who would join the Toadstool Party.
So that should give us a good 4-8 years to enact legislation that actually helps the citizens rather than the wealthy few.
Why are you giving Stone such good ideas???
cawacko
Well-known member
Because we have a system where you have two choices. And what do we constantly hear? 1) that we should vote and 2) only vote for a Democrat or Republican or else you are throwing your vote away or its a cop-out. So if you feel neither party is representing your interests what do you do in that scenario?
We've seen folks like Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan have made hay. There were more blue-collar 'anti-globalist' Republican candidates in '08 and '12 that had support but not enough to win the nomination. The movement has been out there.
Agreed not right away. Certainly not before 2022, but I hope the trend will be seen by then. Maybe by 2024 but more likely by 2026.
When dealing with very large numbers, IMO, it's better to look at percentages. I think the loss of 5% (?) to Trump's cult would easily be made up by Independents rejoining the RNC...but that's a lot of bridge rebuilding. I'm not going to fall for the standard political rhetoric. I'd have to see Republican leaders actually putting nation before party before I'd rejoin.
I'd like to see the recommendations of the 2012 Growth & Prosperity Project (the Republican Autopsy) implemented. I'd like to see a revitalized, true conservative party close the gender gap and minority gap by doing exactly what you posted: serving our nation's citizens instead of just a wealthy few.
I'm still waiting to see hard numbers from the 2020 election, but am not seeing much. Here's a sample: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/05/us-election-demographics-race-gender-age-biden-trump
Stewart noticed a slight widening of the gender gap – with women voting 56-43 for Biden, while the two candidates were almost tied among men.
But one of the biggest divides that did come to pass was between older voters and those aged under 30, who became even “less enamoured of President Trump than before”.
“The other age groups, 30-44, 45-64, 65 and over, it’s a pretty close divide between Biden and Trump. So it’s really young people who are overwhelmingly anti-Trump and that’s really noticeable.”
He said Trump also lost some appeal among low-income voters, who were more attracted to Biden, but the president gained among voters with family incomes over $100,000 a year.
“That right now appears to be the biggest demographic shift I’m seeing. And you can tie that to [Trump’s] tax cuts [for the wealthy] and lower regulations.”
He added: “For as much as we talk about the culture wars and all of those sorts of things, it looks like the big thing was good old-fashioned pocketbook economics.”
While evidence is lacking in exactly who voted, he said the increase in turnout probably came from young people and the Latino community, who he said “historically have been significantly underrepresented in the electorate.”
There should be no doubt, as the legal net closes in on him, that he's already thinking along those lines. He's corrupt, but not stupid like most Trump fans.
Notice how all but the cowards and smart ones didn't go to DC.
Hmmmm ... I didn't think of that. Stone sat here 'posting' so he would have a perfect alibi. (Wow! Stone is smarter than he let's on to be)
Hmmmm ... I didn't think of that. Stone sat here 'posting' so he would have a perfect alibi. (Wow! Stone is smarter than he let's on to be)
Amazing isn't it? Just because he's a coward and cheats his customers doesn't mean he's stupid. OTOH, if he gave money or otherwise supported the insurrection, even from afar, he could have some major personal problems. The Feds will have to figure it out.
Meanwhile, I expect the arrests to start picking up speed now that Trump has left the building.
Presidential systems like ours almost always have two parties. With a parliamentary system, you can put together a coalition after the election. That is not possible in our system.
I doubt trump understands that. he is not playing "4D chess", like some here have claimed. he is the loudmouth at the bar who thinks he has a solution for every problem, and yet cannot solve even the simplest problems in his own life.
Plenty of countries have seen decades of one party rule, even with relatively fair elections. If the opposition cannot coordinate, and the one party proves themselves competent, one party rule becomes the norm. If it is a fair system, usually that one party messes up after a generation or two, but it might take decades.
From 1860 to 1912(52 years), every elected US President except Cleveland was a Republican. That is not quite one party rule, but it is one party winning 85% of the elections.
I doubt the Democrats could win the next 50 years of elections, but I can imagine it. Democrats are coming closer and closer to winning Texas, and have already won elections in Georgia. If they can push back gains trump made in the rust belt, while winning the more populace southern states, and Texas, they can get 400+ Electoral College wins for decades to come. They can do this by being very competent, and more importantly being opposed by a Republican Party that is split.
There is a great technological revolution coming. If Democrats can harness its power to help most Americans, they will be beloved for a generation or two. It will be like the Liberal Democratic Party in Japan, or the Christian Democratic Party in Germany, both who became identified with the post war growth of their countries, and stayed in power for nearly 50 years.
That is the most amazing fact about the political world we live in.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That’s just simply not true Wacko. Sure we only have two major parties but in the past both parties were built on broad coalition’s of many differing factions. In today’s Democratic part there are currently 8 or 9 different major factions. In today’s Republican Party those broad coalitions have been shrinking and shrinking over recent years until there’s now one completely dominant faction and a handful of minority factions and that is a problem that the GOP has itself recognized as a serious problem as it prevents them from growing the party by attracting factions with common interests. The liberal and progressive wings of the GOP have been extinct for quite some time and the moderate wing which used to be the Majority of the GOP is virtually extinct. The professional, scientific and technology class used to be overwhelmingly Republican when I joined the party over the last twenty years have left in droves.
No the monolithic faction that has dominated the part has been seriously split in two by Trump and it is a serious problem at this moment for the Party if Trump is successful in creating an alternative third party as neither the GOP or the Trump party will have the numbers to obtain a plurality of voters let alone a majority.
So you can’t really blame that on the two party system. It is specifically a result of the GOP drifting further and further to the right. As a result, and as much as you may dislike it. with the GOP lacking a broad based and diverse coalition the ideas coming from the left have been more diverse, competitive and growing within the general population. As evidence of this 20 years ago more registered voter identified as Republican then Democrat. Now that has flipped and now significantly more identify as Democrats and liberals and that has grown substantially with the young who largely identify the GOP as being out of date, anachronistic and out of touch.
It’s a serious problem and has been for the GOP that it recognizes and now with Trump splitting the part it has the potential to get a lot worse and that simply isn’t good for the country.
We need both parties to have broad coalitions so that we have better competition in the market place of ideas so that we can adopt the best ideas of both the left and the right.
He selected a crap running mate, and he melted down in front of Al Gore. Perot failed as a candidate.
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
You can't win when things are rigged. True Story.
Oh you can win, IF you get rid of the ones doing the cheating.
IMHO trump will start another party.... He will do some exploratory probe$ & see what it's worth & w/ nothing better to do, he'll go for it............
While many in the gop are upset, disgruntled, these internet crybabies & proud boys are nobodies & their opinions mean nothing.........
Trump is an entertainer~ they are nobodies
The vast majority will go w/ trump.........
While many in the gop are upset, disgruntled, these internet crybabies & proud boys are nobodies & their opinions mean nothing.........
Trump is an entertainer~ they are nobodies
The vast majority will go w/ trump.........
cawacko
Well-known member
You present a couple of different perspectives. Four years ago Republicans (barely) controlled the Presidency and the Legislature. Today the Democrats (barely) control the Presidency and Legislature. It goes back and fourth. So whether it's a broad coalition or a smaller one I don't think it matters all that much.
I'll acknowledge as a Republican I have concerns over this idea that we should become a more blue collar (white) working class party. That's not a growing group and if the idea is you either support Trump's vision of the country, or get out (of the party), that's not going to work.