Interesting Question: Can You Be A Strong Conservative And Support Gay Marriage?

By "the whole enchilada," do you mean equality and freedom for all people, instead of only for heterosexuals?

What does marriage have to do with equality and freedom? I'm amused by the farcical arguments that suggest that love cannot be expressed between gay couples without a government sanctioned piece of paper.
 
"It looks like you want to trivialize the intent of marriage and define it as a meaningless tradition." TD
It understandably would look like that, to an uneducated observer.

But the reality is, things change.
The word "subjective" accrues to modern English from ancient Latin. Literally translated "subjective" means "thrown under": the prefix sub- meaning under, and ject meaning to throw, as in an ejection seat.

Marriage may well have had different legal and social implications centuries ago.

But the socialists, the big government goons have sabotaged us. They've imposed upon us:
- Social Security
- employer based medical, dental, education, and perhaps other benefits
- etc.

And thus any S.O. not legally tied in law to the primary beneficiary is denied benefits as fundamental as visiting rights at hospital.

Just because these issues may not have been binding at the time of our nation's Founding is no reason to insist they do so, or not, now.
 
Whether or not they procreated is not the point. The fact that they can is all that is required.

It's not about opposing gay marriage, it is about not making a mockery of the purpose of marriage.

How about people who get divorced multiple times? Does that make any kind of mockery of marriage?
 
How about people who get divorced multiple times? Does that make any kind of mockery of marriage?
Jesus said it does, even one divorce.
There are people who can’t conceive, I guess according to TD, they shouldn’t be allowed to marry?
 
Jesus said it does, even one divorce.
There are people who can’t conceive, I guess according to TD, they shouldn’t be allowed to marry?

All of the "sanctity of marriage" arguments are just crutches. I mean, if there is ever a poster child for ridiculing the sanctity of marriage, it's Trump. But the evangelical/anti-gay marriage crowd doesn't care about his history.
 
All of the "sanctity of marriage" arguments are just crutches. I mean, if there is ever a poster child for ridiculing the sanctity of marriage, it's Trump. But the evangelical/anti-gay marriage crowd doesn't care about his history.
Nope, some even claim he was sent by their God. I can’t imagine that.
 
Jesus said it does, even one divorce.
There are people who can’t conceive, I guess according to TD, they shouldn’t be allowed to marry?

Once again your dishonesty is exposed. This is not about the ability to procreate or the fact that some get divorced, it is about the REALITY and historical fact the children need a father and a mother, preferably the actual parents of the child.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question; why do gays need a government sanctioned piece of paper to show their love of one another?
 
All of the "sanctity of marriage" arguments are just crutches. I mean, if there is ever a poster child for ridiculing the sanctity of marriage, it's Trump. But the evangelical/anti-gay marriage crowd doesn't care about his history.

I see you either still don't get it or dishonestly refuse to acknowledge the FACT that children need a mother and a father. Preferably the parents that created them.

Trying to make a mockery of the institution of marriage merely promotes a further disintegration of civilized society.
 
Can you be a strong conservative? People respond with can you be strongly religious. Religion should back gay marrige. They are simply living their lives as god made them. If you believe in god, you should not disparrage his creations. They are being what god created them as.

Conservatives should not care, but they do. They do because their political calculations say it is an advantage for them with their base. If it changes, they will suddenly find god and back gay marriage.
 
I agree government has no role in marriage. Marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. I have always been all for civil unions for gays giving them the same rights as married couples.

HORSE SHIT...at least if the god you are referencing is that god of the Bible.
 
Why is that required?

Plenty of heterosexuals get married who are unable to procreate for one reason or another. Would you restrict their marriages?

Your dishonesty knows few bounds. The historic purpose of marriage was to ensure a man and a woman would take their relationship serious and raise healthy happy children which benefits a civilized society.

Whether or not they can procreate doesn't matter. The fact that they can matters. I understand the lefts desire to make a mockery of the institution of marriage. They are in a race to the bottom with third world shit holes and need to create a Government induced dependent class of idiots.


Why do gays need a Government sanctioned piece of paper to prove their love of one another?
 
Your dishonesty knows few bounds. The historic purpose of marriage was to ensure a man and a woman would take their relationship serious and raise healthy happy children which benefits a civilized society.

Whether or not they can procreate doesn't matter. The fact that they can matters. I understand the lefts desire to make a mockery of the institution of marriage. They are in a race to the bottom with third world shit holes and need to create a Government induced dependent class of idiots.


Why do gays need a Government sanctioned piece of paper to prove their love of one another?

You didn't answer my question, and the bolded ignores it. Many heterosexuals who marry CANNOT procreate, for a variety of reasons.

Would you restrict their marriages?
 
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