If democrats abolish the Electoral College republicans would never win the WH

[Into the Night]

No you can't, because you can't self-finance a highway.

Yes you can, and people do. It's called a toll road.

You can't self-finance a sewer system.

Yes you can, and people do. It's called a septic system.

You can't self-finance mass transit.

Yes you can. It's called privately owned shuttle, such as an airport shuttle.

You can't self-finance the military.

Yes you can. It's called private security.

All of these things require government to finance them.

Yes, government also provides these services.

Otherwise, we end up with inconsistent infrastructure, private militaries, and toll roads...like Medieval England.

Nope. Like today's America.

Some problems, most problems, are so big that an individual alone cannot solve them...that's why we have representative government. To solve the problems the individual cannot solve on their own.

Nope. The purpose of government is best described in the Declaration of Independence. You should read it sometime.

 

[Into the Night]

So then tell me...how would you, personally, build a highway without the government?

Easy. First you obtain right of way across the land of the proposed way. This is done by negotiating with property owners to set easements (essentially buying a portion of their land). Then you get some bulldozers and clear a path. You then cut through high areas to provide clean fill dirt for lower areas, installing culverts as you need. Some blasting may need to be done for harder rock. You can use this rock or quarry spall to lay in soft or low areas and to help anchor the culverts. Follow that with 1 1/4inch cut gravel, then 5/8 inch and finds cut gravel. Then you get some asphalt and equipment to compact it flat, laying two to three layers, forming a crown in the roadway to repel water. Then you get a paint truck and paint lines on the new roadway. Install some tollgates and viola! a privately build highway. If desired, spray grass seed and plant shrubs and trees along the hillsides to stabilize and beautify the new highway.

How would you, personally, maintain that highway so that it doesn't crumble?

Easy. If you built it, you can maintain it. Repaint the lines when they fade, resurface the top layer of asphalt when it wears out, etc. All paid for through the tolls.

How would you, personally, design and build a bridge the highway needs to cross over a river?

Easy. You find a solid location to put the foundation piers, Weld and rivet together a truss system or construct beam webbing, set the bridge, then build a roadway across said bridge. Again, all paid for by tolls. So is maintenance of it.

 

[Into the Night]

So this is a typical thing you do, Flash...you present sort-of facts that aren't vetted, and which you won't defend.

Let me ask you this...of those 61 GOP-controlled state legislative chambers, what is the aggregate vote split among those chambers in each state? Because you're painting a distorted picture of those state chambers. Take my state of GA, for example. In this most recent election, Democratic State House candidates in GA received about 10,000 more votes than GOP State House candidates...yet, the State House split is 104-74 for the GOP.

So what that means is that of the 61 chambers the GOP controls, most of them are gerrymandered to give them that advantage. If those seats weren't gerrymandered like that, several of those GOP-controlled states would flip to Democrats. Texas and Georgia are probably the two best examples.

So this is a common tactic of yours...you post information without really vetting it, then when I start taking it apart, you get all pissy and arrogant.

It gets back to the same argument you always make, which boils down to this: "apples and oranges are the same thing because they're both fruit". While not technically incorrect, it is incredibly fucking lazy. And I think you know that.

You can't count votes across districts, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

WTF are you talking about, Flash? That was 60+ years ago. And who controls the South today? The same people who just switched their party affiliation after the Civil Rights Act and desegregation.

Your lazy, sophist argument really bore the shit out of me.

The Big Switch never happened.

 

[Into the Night]

And now, GA voted for Biden, and will probably also vote for Ossoff and Warnock. Abrams lost by just a whisker and it was a bullshit election anyway and Kemp couldn't even convincingly win it.

Why do you think that is? What could have possibly changed in Georgia in the last decade that it all of a sudden is now a blue state, like Virginia?

I'll give you one hint...Rick Grimes.

No. The election in GA is still indeterminate.

 

[Into the Night]

I would ask you for your definition of "Republic", but I know it's fluid.

You haven't really expressed what you think it is on this thread, and I've never seen you express it elsewhere.

Instead, you set yourself up like you're the ambivalent scholar who knows precisely the mindset of 18th century slaveholders, when all that really is just self-confidence and arrogance.

If you think we should apply 18-century mindset to governance, then you must also think we should go back to using leeches for health care, getting everywhere on horseback, and shitting in holes that we dig in the ground.

Do you think that?

A republic is government by constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, defending my Master's Thesis was probably more brutal than any training you ever did in the Corps.

 

[Into the Night]

No, it wasn't. It was purely to consolidate political power around slavery.




No, slavery was the issue. That is the core issue. It's always been the core issue. They even talk about "free persons" in Article I, Section 2.

The core issue being representation, and how do you apportion representation when a significant part of your population is enslaved? You come up with a system that lets you have your cake (slavery) and eat it too (3/5 compromise)...this is the Electoral College and Article I, Section 2.




First of all, MADISON WAS A SLAVE OWNER SO OF COURSE HE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO MAJORITY RULE.

Secondly, The Federalist Papers are not governing documents. They are the 18th-century equivalent to loudmouth morons on JPP screaming about how they know government more than the next guy.

Sigh...so Flash, do you apply 18th century thinking to other parts of your life, or just governance? Do you use leeches for your health care? Do you get around in a horse-and-buggy? Do you send messages by carrier pigeon? Do you shit in a hole you dug in the ground? Of course not. So why do you selectively apply an 18th-century mindset to 21st-century governance? How come you're cherry picking? You either go all in, or you don't.

No, Secession was the core issue.

 

[Into the Night]

So you don't want to answer because you know the answer is that you can't do any of that stuff on your own. That you need a government to do that, and you need to pay taxes so they can.

False dichotomy fallacy.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I think they are waiting on Florida and Texas to commit first! LOL!

coward.......lib'ruls don't have the balls to practice what they preach........

 

[Nordberg]

coward.......lib'ruls don't have the balls to practice what they preach........

We are going through the election process just like we have for a couple of centuries. Soon Trump will lose the electoral college, Jan 12th. Then on Jan. 20th you can watch the inauguration. You have that to look forward to.

 

[Into the Night]

We are going through the election process just like we have for a couple of centuries. Soon Trump will lose the electoral college, Jan 12th. Then on Jan. 20th you can watch the inauguration. You have that to look forward to.

So you admit that liberals have been cheating on elections this massively for 200 years?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

We are going through the election process just like we have for a couple of centuries.

yet you whine about it and say "there's a better way" but you don't use it even in states that you control 100%......like I said, you don't practice what you preach......

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

coward.......lib'ruls don't have the balls to practice what they preach........

Popular vote works for both party's when all states use the popular vote.

You can't have RED STATES ran by cowards- who have no balls, that are afraid of the minorities vote, that divide up their districts by race, hang on to the Delegate system just to suppress the votes of minorities, NOT PARTICIPATE IN DEMOCRACY!

You have a problem with Democracy?

 

[Nordberg]

yet you whine about it and say "there's a better way" but you don't use it even in states that you control 100%......like I said, you don't practice what you preach......

That made no sense.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You have a problem with Democracy?

nope.....just with you hypocritical demmycunts.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That made no sense.

I know......your plans for changing the electoral college make no sense......it's why your blue states don't make the changes you suggest.......but still you whine........that also makes no sense.......

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

nope.....just with you hypocritical demmycunts.......

And I have a problem with you WHITE SUPREMACISTS and asshole Republican Hypocrites! Where are we going with this little conversation?

What? You want to have a food fight here in the forum? Knock yourself out stooge!

 

[Carmine]

It would require a constitutional amendment to get rid of the electoral college, but if democrats can pull it off or inact some measure or proposal to lesson it’s useless impediment to real democracy, republicans would never win the White House.

Ignore republican whining because they believe that winning by getting the most votes is cheating.

Without the EC this election would have been indisputably over long ago. Donald Trump himself is the poster child for abolishing the EC. Lots of proposals on how to get it done.

Nobody would be happier than I to see the Republicans rendered permanently impotent.
That said, given the requirements to amend the constitution, none of us alive today will see another amendment occur.
Amendments are impossible with this level of polarization, and nothing suggests that the polarization will diminish.

We're now very obviously a nation of incompatible people.
We've no longer a need for the current constitution to be amended.
We need at least two constitutional conventions convened for at least two new nations where America exists now.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Nobody would be happier than I to see the Republicans rendered permanently impotent.
That said, given the requirements to amend the constitution, none of us alive today will see another amendment occur.
Amendments are impossible with this level of polarization, and nothing suggests that the polarization will diminish.

We're now very obviously a nation of incompatible people.
We've no longer a need for the current constitution to be amended.
We need at least two constitutional conventions convened for at least two new nations where America exists now.

given that another party would probably rise up........you can guarantee an unsurvivable split in the nation if the more conservative states were denied any representation, and more specifically, protection from the tyrant majority.......what would then be the plan to make those 'fly over' states comply with new federal mandates?