Hiroshima, 6 August 1945
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I wasn't there in 1945, and I would never want to be in the position to make the decision. We all have the luxury of hindsight, looking back at it from a distance of 77 years.
My instinct leans towards feeling that while it was morally reprehensible, it may have been the least bad option. USA, Britain, Germany, USSR deliberately killed a lot of civilians from 1939 to 1945. All of it, strictly speaking, was morally reprehensible.
Thanks for noting "Remember Pearl Harbor Day!"
Between the fucking Nazis and Imperial Japan, the United States was forced out of it's isolation and into become the world's most powerful nation....which it continues to do 76 years later
Agreed.
We should have done the same to Moscow and saved millions of Euros the pain of Soviet domination for 50 years.
Billy says the same about Beijing. You guys are freaky nutzoids, and we werent even at war with Moscow
There is absolutely no question that the two A-Bombs were necessary to stop the War and the killing.
And while in a general moralistic perspective, it saved Japanese lives, the MAIN thing was to stop the loss of American lives.
A million deaths were predicted if the US had to carry out their planned invasion of Japan.
The A-Bombs saved at least a million lives.
Period.
End of the argument.
I've never read a report of any American in 1945 arguing against dropping the bomb on Japan.
The US was only in the war from 7DEC41 to 14AUG45 but lost over 400,000 Americans in that short span*, less time than Trump was President.
It would be a complete dereliction of duty for any US leader to let the war go on one day longer than necessary if they had the power to stop it.
* Days 1346 = 3 Years, 8 Months, 7 Days. 418,500 dead Americans/1346 = 310 dead Americans every day. 2,176 every week. 9,327 every month.
That's just Americans, not the Japanese, Chinese, Brits, Aussies and everyone under Japanese domination or dying in a Japanese POW camp.
People toss that saving a million lives around like it is established fact.
We do not actually know what would have happened.
I think there is a lot of evidence the Japanese were prepared to fight on. But we will never truly know.
We should have sent Cypress and his A-Team to invade Japan first. Then, after the capture, torture, and head removal, ... send over the two 'Peace Keepers'.
Without the fucking Soviets backing them, the ChiComs wouldn't have been able to take power, comrade.
Nuking Moscow would have forever repudiated the idea that America stood for justice and righteousness and that we could be trusted.
By doing so we would have turned on an ally which had already lost 24,000,000 dead in WWII vs our loss of 600,000 lives in the war.
And this is the position the Leftists in America are now in.
They have chosen to turn on the Right and make us their enemy and they can't turn back and now they HAVE to defeat us or eliminate us.
And they will always be known as traitors and sneaky, deceitful, untrustworthy bastards.
The idea of nuking Moscow is a short sighted, sophomoric move that, once done, quickly becomes apparent was the worst thing we could have done.
Agreed no one knows including you and me. All leaders can do is the best they can. In Truman's case, it was to end the war ASAP. He did.
I support Truman's decision as the most correct and most humane one with the information at hand.
It wasn't like he broke a ceasefire. Americans were dying in combat as Truman wrestled with the use of the new tech...tech they weren't completely sure would work.
I'm not sure if Cypress knows what War is all about.
Your folly is that of young short sighted men.
Patton would have started a war with them and made it look like their fault.
Jesus fucking Christ, Trumpy. I never knew you were a commie sympathizer. Did you go to the meetings and everything? I knew most Trumpers were Russian sympathizers, but not communist ones.
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Thanks for noting "Remember Pearl Harbor Day!"
Between the fucking Nazis and Imperial Japan, the United States was forced out of it's isolation and into become the world's most powerful nation....which it continues to do 76 years later
I do not celebrate it or spike the football.
It just seems to me that a case can be made it was a neccessary evil.
The right thing to do maybe was to provide more warning to the Japanese and the civilian populations what they were facing. The Potsdam conference did issue a statement warning Japan it faced utter destruction if they did not surrender unconditionally. That was obviously a veiled warning about our nuclear capability. But I am sure the threat was not direct and explicit enough for the Japanese to really take seriously.
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Hello Cypress,
Japan started it. We finished it.
The USA was negotiating with Japan when Japan attacked the USA without warning.
Japan went on a rampage of conquest, trying to take over the Pacific.
Somebody had to stop them. The USA did what was thought to be the only way to end it.
It was a horrible thing to do, but it ended ongoing horrors.
Both countries have flourished since then and reached a new understanding.
Japan started it. We finished it.
The USA was negotiating with Japan when Japan attacked the USA without warning.
Japan went on a rampage of conquest, trying to take over the Pacific.
Somebody had to stop them. The USA did what was thought to be the only way to end it.
It was a horrible thing to do, but it ended ongoing horrors.
Both countries have flourished since then and reached a new understanding.
It was reprehensible. We are the only nation who has used a weapon of mass destruction to kill civilians. We didn’t use it on troops, we used it on men, women and children.