Deep Green Freeze

anatta said:
Gas and power prices have spiked across the central U.S. while Texas regulators ordered rolling blackouts Monday as an Arctic blast has frozen wind turbines. Herein is the paradox of the left’s climate agenda: The less we use fossil fuels, the more we need them.

A mix of ice and snow swept across the country this weekend as temperatures plunged below zero in the upper Midwest and into the teens in Houston. Cold snaps happen—the U.S. also experienced a Polar Vortex in 2019—as do heat waves. Yet the power grid is becoming less reliable due to growing reliance on wind and solar, which can’t provide power 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Texas’s energy emergency could last all week as the weather is forecast to remain frigid. “My understanding is, the wind turbines are all frozen,” Public Utility Commission Chairman DeAnn Walker said Friday. “We are working already to try and ensure we have enough power but it’s taken a lot of coordination.”

Wind’s share has tripled to about 25% since 2010 and accounted for 42% of power last week before the freeze set in. About half of Texans rely on electric pumps for heating, which liberals want to mandate everywhere. But the pumps use a lot of power in frigid weather. So while wind turbines were freezing, demand for power was surging.

California progressives long ago banished coal. But a heat wave last summer strained the state’s power grid as wind flagged and solar ebbed in the evenings. After imposing rolling blackouts, grid regulators resorted to importing coal power from Utah and running diesel emergency generators.

Liberals claim that prices of renewables and fossil fuels are now comparable, which may be true due to subsidies, but they are no free lunch, as this week’s energy emergency shows.
The Biden Administration’s plan to banish fossil fuels is a greater existential threat to Americans than climate change.
https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/...o-we-do-when-the-wind-turbines-are-all-frozen
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The Texas information is inaccurate. Texas has the highest wind production of any state but accounts for about 23% at most and only about 10% in the winter. The turbines are not winterized and do not operate in freezing weather.

The biggest problem in Texas is that the natural gas pipelines froze. Because Texas has its own electric grid it is not able to get additional energy from the west or east.
 
Flash said:
The Texas information is inaccurate. Texas has the highest wind production of any state but accounts for about 23% at most and only about 10% in the winter. The turbines are not winterized and do not operate in freezing weather.

The biggest problem in Texas is that the natural gas pipelines froze. Because Texas has its own electric grid it is not able to get additional energy from the west or east.
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How can they operate when 50% were down due to icing on the rotors? Cairo is at latitude 30 deg whilst Houston is 29 deg, do you think the Egyptians cold weather proof wind turbines? They are more concerned with sandstorms and corrosive air.

https://www.bibalex.org/SCIplanet/en/Article/Details?id=75
 
Primavera said:
How can they operate when 50% were down due to icing on the rotors? Cairo is at latitude 30 deg whilst Houston is 29 deg, do you think the Egyptians cold weather proof wind turbines? They are more concerned with sandstorms and corrosive air.
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The turbine rotors had little to do with the Texas problems. They are not designed to operate in freezing weather. It was mainly the freezing of natural gas pipelines. Also, the South Texas Nuclear Plant partially shut down:

"On February 15, 2021 during a major power outage that impacted much of the state of Texas, an automatic reactor trip shut South Texas Nuclear Generation Station Unit 1 due to low steam generator levels. According to a Nuclear Regulatory Commission report, the low steam generator levels were due to loss of Feedwater pumps 11 and 13."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating_Station

[h=1]No, frozen wind turbines aren’t the main culprit for Texas’ power outages[/h]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-frozen/
 
Rune said:
Thanks for admitting you are nothing but a blowhard loser.
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reagansghost said:
hey dumbfuck there are 3 power grids in the US - Western, Eastern, and Texan

yeah that's correct, TX is run by pirates with ZERO financial incentive to prepare for emergencies, and who of obviously did not



...oh forgot, TX is only 10% renewable, and those facilities fared quite well

suck it annie
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Do they have snow ploughs in Cairo, even though it's north of Houston?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361084018180165640
 
Here’s what really happened: the vast majority of our fossil fuel power plants continued running smoothly, just as they do in far colder climates across the world. Power plant infrastructure is designed for cold weather and rarely freezes, unlike wind turbines that must be specially outfitted to handle extreme cold.

It appears that ERCOT, Texas’s grid operator, was caught off guard by how soon demand began to exceed supply.
Failure to institute a managed rolling blackout before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels meant some plants had to shut off to protect their equipment. This is likely why so many power plants went offline, not because they had failed to maintain operations in the cold weather.
 
anatta said:
4 million customers without power in Tx. all as a result of stupid laws forcing nat gas off line replaced by renewables. we need to understand this is what happens when you use renewables as primary power.

Renewable have a place in a diversified energy portfolio - but not as a primary supply
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FOS, as usual.

No one forced nat gas offline, the weather did that.

Dumbass, Texas teabaggers never weatherized the plants or lines, they were warned in the freeze of 2011 but let the companies decide.

Renewables are NOT a primary power source of TX. or anywhere else.

Teabagger whining about "windmills", they aren't windmills, they grind wheat, they're wind turbines.

Funny fact: Iowa didn't have issues, they were in the same boat, but worse.

After a powerful winter storm brought over a foot of snow to parts of Texas this past weekend, the electrical grid, particularly in Texas, remains crippled.

As millions go to bed once again in the dark and in the cold, many are wondering who to blame, and a lot of finger-pointing has targeted the wind energy sector.

Kerri Johannsen, the Energy Program Director at Iowa Environmental Council says iced-over wind turbines are simply not to blame.

"During this cold period we've had, wind production in Iowa has been just as it has been projected, and that has actually been the case in Texas as well and in the south," Johannsen explains.

Iowa generates 40% of its electricity from wind, the highest percentage in the country.

So why were parts of western Iowa dealing with rolling power outages on Tuesday, and how has Iowa been able to navigate a historically cold February without any issues until now?

Part of western Iowa is serviced by a Regional Transmission Organization (RTO) called Southwest Power Pool, or SPP.

"SPP had about 50% of their gas generation go offline, but only 15% of their wind went offline," says Johannsen.

Then there is El Paso and Beaumont, never were involved with ERCOT, they barely had any outage.
 
LV426 said:
First of all, Texas didn't lose 25% of their generation capacity from wind; they lost 5 gigawatts.

Secondly, Texas lost 30 gigawatts from fossil fuels, which accounts for 75% of the generation capacity.

So by looking at just the numbers, we see that fossil fuels were six times more responsible for the overall loss of gigawatts than wind.

You're someone who portends to "look at the numbers"...so what do these numbers tell you?

-->25% of Texas' generation capacity was reduced by 5 gigawatts (14% of total gigawatts lost as of Monday night).

-->75% of Texas' generation capacity was reduced by 30 gigawatts (86% of total gigawatts lost as of Monday night).

So it's not even proportional....it's way more gigawatts being lost from fossil fuels than from wind.

So you lied when you tried to blame this on wind.
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facts? trump stooges don't need no stinkin' facts!!
 
no worries said:
FOS, as usual.

No one forced nat gas offline, the weather did that.
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you idiot
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/1...lKLLBV5J2T1kPHACbn_wzZg#.YC-ST75bB1Q.facebook
Texas’s grid operator, was caught off guard by how soon demand began to exceed supply.
Failure to institute a managed rolling blackout before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels meant some plants had to shut off to protect their equipment. This is likely why so many power plants went offline, not because they had failed to maintain operations in the cold weather.
 
dukkha said:
you idiot
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/1...lKLLBV5J2T1kPHACbn_wzZg#.YC-ST75bB1Q.facebook
Texas’s grid operator, was caught off guard by how soon demand began to exceed supply.
Failure to institute a managed rolling blackout before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels meant some plants had to shut off to protect their equipment. This is likely why so many power plants went offline, not because they had failed to maintain operations in the cold weather.
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bullshit, bitch. Abbott himself talked about how these natural gas transmission and delivery lines were just not ready for such intense, long lasting cold, you stupid fuck liar.

Abbott’s mixed messages on who’s to blame for Texas power woes ‘not useful’, communications experts say
Depending on the audience, the GOP governor cites frozen natural gas pipelines – or iced-up wind turbines.

AUSTIN — One minute, Gov. Greg Abbott is blaming the woes of millions of power-deprived Texans on managers of the state’s electricity grid — and the freezing of natural gas supplies and generators.

The next, he’s on Fox News, attributing Texas’ worst winter-weather disaster in decades to wind and solar power outages, which he says illustrate how a “Green New Deal” will be “a deadly deal.”

On Wednesday, several communications, corporate ethics and political messaging experts criticized the Republican governor’s public comments as confusing, “not useful,” an attempt to shield himself from conservatives’ disfavor and perhaps a result of “panic and deflection.”

As of 9 a.m. Wednesday, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said 61% of the 46,000 megawatts of generation that had been “forced off the system during this extreme winter weather event” is from fossil-fuel or nuclear sources. Just 18,000 megawatts was wind and solar.

https://www.dallasnews.com/2021/02/...r-woes-not-useful-communications-experts-say/
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
bullshit, bitch. Abbott himself talked about how these natural gas transmission and delivery lines were just not ready for such intense, long lasting cold, you stupid fuck liar.

Abbott’s mixed messages on who’s to blame for Texas power woes ‘not useful’, communications experts say
Depending on the audience, the GOP governor cites frozen natural gas pipelines – or iced-up wind turbines.

AUSTIN — One minute, Gov. Greg Abbott is blaming the woes of millions of power-deprived Texans on managers of the state’s electricity grid — and the freezing of natural gas supplies and generators.

The next, he’s on Fox News, attributing Texas’ worst winter-weather disaster in decades to wind and solar power outages, which he says illustrate how a “Green New Deal” will be “a deadly deal.”

On Wednesday, several communications, corporate ethics and political messaging experts criticized the Republican governor’s public comments as confusing, “not useful,” an attempt to shield himself from conservatives’ disfavor and perhaps a result of “panic and deflection.”

As of 9 a.m. Wednesday, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said 61% of the 46,000 megawatts of generation that had been “forced off the system during this extreme winter weather event” is from fossil-fuel or nuclear sources. Just 18,000 megawatts was wind and solar.

https://www.dallasnews.com/2021/02/...r-woes-not-useful-communications-experts-say/
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do you know what grid frequency is ? LMAO
nat gas frozen lines contributed tot he problem but the entire matter was a SNAFU
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/even-power-disasters-are-bigger-in-texas-heres-why/
 
dukkha said:
you idiot
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/1...lKLLBV5J2T1kPHACbn_wzZg#.YC-ST75bB1Q.facebook
Texas’s grid operator, was caught off guard by how soon demand began to exceed supply.
Failure to institute a managed rolling blackout before the grid frequency fell to dangerously low levels meant some plants had to shut off to protect their equipment. This is likely why so many power plants went offline, not because they had failed to maintain operations in the cold weather.
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What Hoosier Daddy said.

The "Federalist"?

That's where teabaggers not only get where most of their policies but their politicians as well.
 
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