"How do you define socialism personally?"

[T. A. Gardner]

Well, then. Let's look at your dictionary definition in more detail:

Socialism is an economic and social doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of propertyand natural resources.

The operative word in that sentence is "or." A socialist system can have private property if control is public. In turn, "public" means by government.

That means the government controls property and natural resources by some means. Private property is allowed in some cases so long as government has control.

Thus, you need a big, intrusive, and dictatorial government to operate a socialist system.

According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another.

"live in cooperation" can be termed as altruism. Humans are not naturally altruistic. So, in a socialist system, enforced altruism is required to make it work. That is, government coerces members of society to cooperate whether they want to or not.

Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it.

This is more altruism. This might be summed up as Those who can produce. Those who can't take. Thus, in a socialist system, the government uses force and coercion to take from the productive and distribute goods and services as they see fit, in a supposedly "fair and equal" system.

Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control propertyfor the benefit of all its members.

"Society as a whole" means government. Ownership or control of property for the benefit of all its members means that if ownership is allowed, owners have their wealth confiscated to give to nonowners. If the government controls property, it decides how that property will be used within society.

It is everything I said it was. In short, Socialism is a dictatorship of virtue that destroys a nation and society. The only difference when you add the word "Democratic" in front of Socialism is that now the mob, society as a whole, is deciding how wealth and property get divided up.

 

[evince]

Well, then. Let's look at your dictionary definition in more detail:



The operative word in that sentence is "or." A socialist system can have private property if control is public. In turn, "public" means by government.

That means the government controls property and natural resources by some means. Private property is allowed in some cases so long as government has control.

Thus, you need a big, intrusive, and dictatorial government to operate a socialist system.


"live in cooperation" can be termed as altruism. Humans are not naturally altruistic. So, in a socialist system, enforced altruism is required to make it work. That is, government coerces members of society to cooperate whether they want to or not.


This is more altruism. This might be summed up as Those who can produce. Those who can't take. Thus, in a socialist system, the government uses force and coercion to take from the productive and distribute goods and services as they see fit, in a supposedly "fair and equal" system.


"Society as a whole" means government. Ownership or control of property for the benefit of all its members means that if ownership is allowed, owners have their wealth confiscated to give to nonowners. If the government controls property, it decides how that property will be used within society.

It is everything I said it was. In short, Socialism is a dictatorship of virtue that destroys a nation and society.

Dear fucking idiot


You have to read the whole definition and incorporate the whole definition in your comments


Boy are you having problems with what you called a starting place for stupid and uniformed people


Thank you for demonstrating your place under stupid and uninformed people



Fuck you very much

 

[QP!]

Okay. Socialism is a system of economics that requires a political dictatorship to enforce a set of rules that defy human nature. In essence, the mob takes from the productive and gives to the unproductive in forced altruism on the population. The result is an oppressive political system leads the nation to economic ruin. There is nothing "democratic" or "fair" about Socialism.

Ok apply those points to what any Democratic in power has done to show they have been socialist and then i will do the same to Trump.

 

[Teflon Don]

I think it is funny that socialists hate being called socialists

it was kind of like when they would bristle when you called Obama by his full name

 

[Hume]

I think it is funny that socialists hate being called socialists

Where is that happening?

 

[AProudLefty]

"live in cooperation" can be termed as altruism. Humans are not naturally altruistic. So, in a socialist system, enforced altruism is required to make it work. That is, government coerces members of society to cooperate whether they want to or not.

Science says otherwise.

 

[AProudLefty]

I think it is funny that socialists hate being called socialists

it was kind of like when they would bristle when you called Obama by his full name

Who?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Dear fucking idiot

You have to read the whole definition and incorporate the whole definition in your comments
Boy are you having problems with what you called a starting place for stupid and uniformed people
Thank you for demonstrating your place under stupid and uninformed people
Fuck you very much

I'm not the one trying to defend my position by appeals to authority (a logical fallacy) and the use of insults and ad hominem, you are.

Demonstrate where my definitions and discussion are wrong. That means going beyond posting a link to an encyclopedia or dictionary and actually demonstrating you understand what Socialism is, because you clearly do not at this point and are only parroting what the dictionary says.

 

[Hume]

Gardner writes: "live in cooperation" can be termed as altruism. Very different concepts.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Science says otherwise.

Science agrees with me.

In a Hi-Phi Nation conversation, host Barry Lam argues that evolutionary theory best explains neither pure selfishness nor pure altruism, but a kind of hypocrisy: humans evolved to value and praise altruism in others, in order to benefit from associating with generous people, without necessarily being motivated to act altruistically themselves.

Are humans naturally selfish or altruistic? | Stoa

A Hi-Phi Nation conversation asks whether evolution made humans selfish or altruistic, and lands on a third answer: hypocrisy.

stoameditation.com

Does True Altruism Exist?

Many psychologists and philosophers have argued that there is no such thing as true altruism.

www.psychologytoday.com

The truth about altruism - Harvard Health

Many people believe that the human tendency to want to act for the greater good is rooted in kindness. But research suggests that altruism may have evolved alongside the impulse to condemn and even...

www.health.harvard.edu

Are Humans Naturally Selfish? A Philosophical Inquiry

Explore the debate on human nature. From Hobbes and Rousseau to evolutionary biology, discover if humans are naturally selfish or capable of true altruism.

deeppsyche.blog

 

[QP!]

I'm not the one trying to defend my position by appeals to authority (a logical fallacy) and the use of insults and ad hominem, you are.

Demonstrate where my definitions and discussion are wrong. That means going beyond posting a link to an encyclopedia or dictionary and actually demonstrating you understand what Socialism is, because you clearly do not at this point and are only parroting what the dictionary says.

Which Democratic who has held power matches your definition of socialism?

 

[AProudLefty]

Science agrees with me.

In a Hi-Phi Nation conversation, host Barry Lam argues that evolutionary theory best explains neither pure selfishness nor pure altruism, but a kind of hypocrisy: humans evolved to value and praise altruism in others, in order to benefit from associating with generous people, without necessarily being motivated to act altruistically themselves.

Are humans naturally selfish or altruistic? | Stoa

A Hi-Phi Nation conversation asks whether evolution made humans selfish or altruistic, and lands on a third answer: hypocrisy.

stoameditation.com

Does True Altruism Exist?

Many psychologists and philosophers have argued that there is no such thing as true altruism.

www.psychologytoday.com

The truth about altruism - Harvard Health

Many people believe that the human tendency to want to act for the greater good is rooted in kindness. But research suggests that altruism may have evolved alongside the impulse to condemn and even...

www.health.harvard.edu

Are Humans Naturally Selfish? A Philosophical Inquiry

Explore the debate on human nature. From Hobbes and Rousseau to evolutionary biology, discover if humans are naturally selfish or capable of true altruism.

deeppsyche.blog

Evidence for Natural Altruism
Infant Behavior: Babies show empathy and a desire to help others before they learn social rules or cultural expectations.
Brain Response: Brain scans show that extraordinary acts of kindness—like donating a kidney to a stranger—light up ancient emotional brain structures like the amygdala, which is sensitive to the fear and distress of others.


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Evolutionary History: Early humans survived by working in groups, sharing food, and raising children together through cooperative br
eeding.

 

[Stone]

Socialism | Definition, History, Types, Examples, & Facts | Britannica Money

socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control...

www.britannica.com

Socialism is an economic and social doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of propertyand natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control propertyfor the benefit of all its members.

Define ownership of PROPERTY. WHAT property? Like state and federal parks or PRIVATE bought and paid for and taxes paid on property?

 

[Noking]

Let's hear from board members that are NOT opposed to Socialism, what they think it is.

How about an objective reply.

 

[Noking]

Define ownership of PROPERTY. WHAT property? Like state and federal parks or PRIVATE bought and paid for and taxes paid on property?

Stoney Baloney, you've got a lot to learn.

 

[Stone]

Stoney Baloney, you've got a lot to learn.

Yeah,...right.

 

[Noking]

Okay. Socialism is a system of economics that requires a political dictatorship to enforce a set of rules that defy human nature. In essence, the mob takes from the productive and gives to the unproductive in forced altruism on the population. The result is an oppressive political system leads the nation to economic ruin. There is nothing "democratic" or "fair" about Socialism.

You just proved that you've been indoctrinated and not educated.

 

[Noking]

Okay. Socialism is a system of economics that requires a political dictatorship to enforce a set of rules that defy human nature. In essence, the mob takes from the productive and gives to the unproductive in forced altruism on the population. The result is an oppressive political system leads the nation to economic ruin. There is nothing "democratic" or "fair" about Socialism.

What about the roads and highways that you drive on, who pays and who administrates????

 

[Stone]

I opt out on the isms. I don't want any,...and I don't want to pay any. No Socialism, No Communism, no Fagism, No trannyism, no n othingism.

 

[Teflon Don]

Where is that happening?

oh you like it now?