Interesting Question: Can You Be A Strong Conservative And Support Gay Marriage?

you falling in line with changing a centuries old definition of an institution because an oxford publication decided to "re-define", and I'm the one spreading bleat?

ha

two men can not "marry" each other, that's just silly

Language and definitions change. Get used to it.
 
I disagree with the scotus.

There is a compelling interest for the courts to encourage heterosexual marriage, because it has the, very likely, potential to create new little taxpayers.

Homosexuals have always had the equal right to choose to marry someone else of the opposite sex. Marriage, by its very definition, is a union between opposite sexes.

Lots of gender confusion in society, these days.

Let me fix this for you.

Marriage, by its very definition, WAS a union between opposite sexes.
 
I disagree with the scotus.

There is a compelling interest for the courts to encourage heterosexual marriage, because it has the, very likely, potential to create new little taxpayers.

Homosexuals have always had the equal right to choose to marry someone else of the opposite sex. Marriage, by its very definition, is a union between opposite sexes.

Lots of gender confusion in society, these days, ... and a collapsing same-sex societal safety net.

Goddam American conservatives talk about keeping government out of our lives...

...but because of their sexual hang-ups and fears...they are anxious to have government tell consenting adults who they can have sex with.

Marriage, by the way, is NOT "by definition" a union between opposite sexes. You are completely full of shit on that point.
 
Let me fix this for you.

Marriage, by its very definition, WAS a union between opposite sexes.

Actually...it never was.

For every dictionary that defines it as a union between opposite sexes (something not that easy to find)...you can find a dictionary that does not define it that way.

Give it a shot...you'll see. Dog can give it a shot...but I doubt he will.
 
Goddam American conservatives talk about keeping government out of our lives...

...but because of their sexual hang-ups and fears...they are anxious to have government tell consenting adults who they can have sex with.

Marriage, by the way, is NOT "by definition" a union between opposite sexes. You are completely full of shit on that point.

Well Frankie, you can marry a 14 year old boy in New York, ... and get a tax break for doing so.

:dunno:

"Men in black robes" just invented homosexual marriage, Frank. They changed the definition of marriage, husband, wife, groom and bride, but you can't even admit that.

I don't care what you stick in your ass behind closed doors, Frankie. As long as you don't increase the spread of disease in society, ... and teach little kids that they are homophobic and unenlightened beings, ... if they don't try it, at least once.
 
I disagree with the scotus.

There is a compelling interest for the courts to encourage heterosexual marriage, because it has the, very likely, potential to create new little taxpayers.

Homosexuals have always had the equal right to choose to marry someone else of the opposite sex. Marriage, by its very definition, is a union between opposite sexes.

Lots of gender confusion in society, these days, ... and a collapsing same-sex societal safety net.

The courts have no business whatsoever making decisions based on what increases tax revenue.

You are not someone who celebrates liberty. Make no mistake about that.
 
The courts have no business whatsoever making decisions based on what increases tax revenue.

You are not someone who celebrates liberty. Make no mistake about that.

Well Thug1, what compelling interest does the court have to support the institute of marriage?
 
so marriage is a religious ONLY concept?

in 1791 Napoleon issued a Code of Law that created the principle of civil marriage in which a man and a women were deemed united by the state......it spread all over Europe and in principle continues to this day........it was the first recognition of "community property" and the source of a woman's right to inherit upon her husband's death........

same sex unions were not included......
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Napoleonic-Code
 
Well Frankie, you can marry a 14 year old boy in New York, ... and get a tax break for doing so.

:dunno:

"Men in black robes" just invented homosexual marriage, Frank. They changed the definition of marriage, husband, wife, groom and bride, but you can't even admit that.

I don't care what you stick in your ass behind closed doors, Frankie. As long as you don't increase the spread of disease in society, ... and teach little kids that they are homophobic and unenlightened beings, ... if they don't try it, at least once.

You said marriage was, by definition, a union between opposite sexes.

I called to your attention that it isn't.

I doubt you will ever be man enough to acknowledge that you were wrong.

I am heterosexual...and I do not cheat on my wife. Stop with your bullshit, you turd.
 
"You said marriage was, by definition, a union between opposite sexes.
I called to your attention that it isn't." FA #70
Traditionally it may have been. Why should the dictionary bind on, limit our society, as we work toward the ideal we have all pledged to, "liberty & justice for all"?
Should we eschew air travel because prior to Kitty Hawk a pilot was a boat driver?
"Can You Be A Strong Conservative And Support Gay Marriage?"

Can a citizen Be A Strong Conservative And NOT Support Gay Marriage? No! Political conservatives support smaller less intrusive, less authoritarian government.
 
Traditionally it may have been. Why should the dictionary bind on, limit our society, as we work toward the ideal we have all pledged to, "liberty & justice for all"?
Should we eschew air travel because prior to Kitty Hawk a pilot was a boat driver?

TRADITIONALLY...it was often a union between a man and several women.

Right now an assertion was made which I challenged.

The assertion was: "Marriage, by its very definition, is a union between opposite sexes. "

IT ISN'T!


It is only defined that way by people who want it to be that way.
 
PS
Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog
Well Thug1, what compelling interest does the court have to support the institute of marriage?

"The compelling interest is called the 14th Amendment." d7 #71
a) Please quote the specific clause in 14A you believe compels this. Thanks.

b) Supporting the institution of marriage requires preserving and perhaps strengthening it.
 
Well Frankie, you can marry a 14 year old boy in New York, ... and get a tax break for doing so.

:dunno:

"Men in black robes" just invented homosexual marriage, Frank. They changed the definition of marriage, husband, wife, groom and bride, but you can't even admit that.

I don't care what you stick in your ass behind closed doors, Frankie. As long as you don't increase the spread of disease in society, ... and teach little kids that they are homophobic and unenlightened beings, ... if they don't try it, at least once.

If adults like you wouldn't raise children to be homophobic and unenlightened human beings then it wouldn't be left to the rest of us to unteach them.
 
The assertion was: "Marriage, by its very definition, is a union between opposite sexes. "

IT ISN'T!
FA #73

marriage (màr´îj) noun
The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

[Middle English mariage, from Old French, from marier, to marry. See marry1.] *

Your quarrel is not with me FA #73.
Your quarrel is with The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language *, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
 

marriage (màr´îj) noun
The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

[Middle English mariage, from Old French, from marier, to marry. See marry1.] *

Your quarrel is not with me FA #73.
Your quarrel is with The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language *, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.



a see usage paragraph below : the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK
c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effe


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage




1.
a. A legal union between two persons that confers certain privileges and entails certain obligations of each person to the other, formerly restricted in the United States to a union between a woman and a man.
b. A similar union of more than two people; a polygamous marriage.
c. A union between persons that is recognized by custom or religious tradition as a marriage.
d. A common-law marriage.
e. The state or relationship of two adults who are married: Their marriage has been a happy one.



https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=marriage

Two definitions from American Heritage and Merriam Webster...

...both of which do NOT define it as between a man and a woman.

I'm up two to one.

You go.

Post another showing that (use a link like I did so we can check it)...and I'll post two more that do not define it that way.
 
in 1791 Napoleon issued a Code of Law that created the principle of civil marriage in which a man and a women were deemed united by the state......it spread all over Europe and in principle continues to this day........it was the first recognition of "community property" and the source of a woman's right to inherit upon her husband's death........

same sex unions were not included......
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Napoleonic-Code

irrelevant, except that it's an acknowledged contract.
 
if you dont ban marriage between an invertile man and woman why would you ban a man on man marrige?
 
I disagree with the scotus. There is a compelling interest for the courts to encourage heterosexual marriage, because it has the, very likely, potential to create new little taxpayers.

Heterosexuals and homosexuals are no more or less likely to have little taxpayers whether they are married or not. You don't create more married couples with children by prohibiting gay marriage. A gay couple can choose not to have children whether married or not.
 
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