No Peak Yet. Up To 3000 Deaths Per Day Coming; 200,000 New Cases Per Day...

[Into the Night]

Facts are not arguments. They are facts. I didn't make up the numbers, I looked them up from a reputable site that is used by many here.

WRONG. Facts are assumed predicates to arguments. They are not a proof. They are not a Universal Truth. Redefinition fallacy. Consensus is not a proof. Consensus is not a Universal Truth. What you call 'reputable' is not necessarily reputable. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). Argument from randU fallacy.

Now:
Let's assume these figures are accurate.
This results in a current infection rate of 0.00253% and a current death rate of 0.0002375%. Not even significant. Not an epidemic. Not a pandemic. Not even a situation. A hoax of fear mongering and mass hypochondria.
Using numbers from the CDC, these figures are lower. Using numbers from the Washington State Health department, these numbers are even lower.

NOTHING makes any of these sources a proof. NOTHING makes any of these sources necessarily accurate. In Washington, for example, there are several examples of doctors applications for death certificates getting denied because the coroner insisted on putting Covid-19 as the cause of death, even though the death had no infection of it and died from something like cancer instead. This inflates the reported numbers. The coroner works for the government.

These records are on government documents and the records of the doctors involved. They are public records too.

 

[Concart]

All flu is a virus, dumbass. WHO called the Covid virus a flu. So did the U.S. government. For all effective purposes, it's a flu.
I notice that you decided to concentrate on semantic arguments instead of the low death rates and infection rates of the Covid-19 virus.

Yes, all flus are viruses, but not all viruses are flus. You must have flunked your IQ test. Semantics are important. When you make sloppy lazy arguments, you obviously don't adhere to that principle, but I do.

 

[Mason Melchizedek]

You should lose your unemployment. You effectively quit. No one is forcing you to go back to work.

You're right they have a right to die

 

[Mason Melchizedek]

Covid is a flu. People die from the flu. Covid is very mild. A lot less people are dying from it than other flu the U.S. has experienced. We didn't close the economy for those!

70000 dead in 4 months is "very mild"?

 

[moon]

Into the Night Soil;

Covid is a flu.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, all flus are viruses, but not all viruses are flus. You must have flunked your IQ test. Semantics are important. When you make sloppy lazy arguments, you obviously don't adhere to that principle, but I do.

More strawman and insults.

 

[Concart]

More strawman and insults.

Well, stop lying and I'll stop calling you a liar.

 

[Into the Night]

70000 dead in 4 months is "very mild"?

Did they die of corona virus or of something else and corona virus was blamed for it?

 

[Into the Night]

Well, stop lying and I'll stop calling you a liar.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Darth Omar]

True. Which is the same for basically any virus. So?

Not true.

People who die from viral pneumonia die from symptoms directly caused by the virus. COVID causes a run away effect in the immune system which can damage several major organs—and this only happens in some people, for whatever reason. It explains why so many COVID infections are mild and not even noticed.

And we may have lost tens of thousands of people—unnecessarily, due to improper treatment. And that was due to WHO and the CDC excluding steroid regimens for treating critical COVID patients.

And that should outrage at least most people. It does me.

 

[Walt]

Now:
Let's assume these figures are accurate. This results in a current infection rate of 0.00253% and a current death rate of 0.0002375%. Not even significant. Not an epidemic. Not a pandemic. Not even a situation. A hoax of fear mongering and mass hypochondria. Using numbers from the CDC, these figures are lower. Using numbers from the Washington State Health department, these numbers are even lower.

I do not know how you came up with your numbers, but there really is no math that could get you there. We do not know how many people have gotten Covid-19 in America, but 1.3 million have tested positive. That would be about 0.4% or almost 200 times what you claim. 76k have died, about 0.024%, or almost 100 times your claim. I almost think you have forgotten to multiple by 100 to get percent, but even that would not explain your mistake of 200 times.

To put that into reference, there are about 800k Vietnam War veterans alive in America, and we lost about 58k. If we believe Night, there was no war in Vietnam.

 

[Walt]

No one else got infected; nor did his wife and daughter.

Did you get tested? If not, you may have passed it on and killed people.

 

[Walt]

If they don't feel it's safe to return, for a good cause, they can make their case...

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Even in good times, those cases take months to settle, during which they get NOTHING. No one even knows how long these cases will take to settle. I would guess years.

If you have a job, it is probably best to keep it. Even if you can get benefits, the benefits will almost certainly run out before you get a new job.

 

[Walt]

PA's numbers ...

And then she goes on to be a wealth of misinformation.

 

[Walt]

Expecting good quality from our elites has long been too much to expect from them.

We spend 17% GDP on medical, yet preparing for a pandemic was not attempted.

We need to get new and better people.

There has been a drive to cut waste, and preparing for a pandemic that is not happening looks a lot like waste. The "new" people we got are trying to cut more waste, so they are even worse, not "better". It is tough to convince a new person of danger he has never heard of.

Most of that 17% is either private sector, or public sector going to individual healthcare. Pandemics are society wide healthcare of a type we are not used to. This is not just what government is best at, it is the very reason we have government. The real spending on infectious disease health is well below 0.1%. We got away with that as long as we could, and now we are paying the price.

 

[Walt]

Did they die of corona virus or of something else and corona virus was blamed for it?

The triggering factor was Covid-19, and the manner of death was Covid-19. Picture a person with diabetes that would on average kill them in 20 years. This has weakened their immune system, so when they get Covid-19, it grows out of control and kills them. Without Covid-19, they would have lived another 20 years, and maybe gotten to know they grandchildren as children and then adults... Remarried... Done whatever people do in 20 years of their lives. So the trigger was Covid-19, but also the manner of death was a symptom of Covid-19.

A lot of people are losing time... But the death rate will be lower for the next 20 years. People who would have died 20 years from now will die now.

 

[Walt]

The distinction is huge. It means we can forget the vaccine if these people just lacked proper treatment. It could mean a return to full normal in all of society.

There has been no magical treatment ever found for any virus. At best, you can cut the death rate in half. Forgetting about a vaccine and contact tracing would be a very bad idea.

 

[Walt]

Covid is a flu.

Coronaviruses are no more influenza viruses than bats are birds. They may have some superficial similarities, but they are very different creatures.

People die from the flu. Covid is very mild.

So far, it has been somewhere between 10 to 100 times worse death rate than any flu we have seen in almost 100 years. When it is all over, it will probably be over 100 times worse, because remember it is still going.

A lot less people are dying from it than other flu the U.S. has experienced.

Lets take the Swine Flu of 2009. Less than 4k people died of it as a proximate cause, with somewhere between 61k and 80k statistically dying from it because it weakened them. Right now, 76k people have died of Covid-19 as a proximate cause, and no one can even guess how many more have been weakened. And right now is still early in the pandemic, many more will die.

So it is 20 times worse right now, and will almost certainly get far worse. That is hardly mild.

 

[Walt]

NY, NJ, MA, IL & CA.

Diseases hit hubs first, and then move out into the rest of the country. If we use NYC as a model of what will happen to America in general, that is 19.5k deaths out of 8 million people, so we could expect about 800k deaths.

You may argue that the rest of the country will not be hit as hard as NYC, but there is no reason to believe that this disease will not continue to spread until it gets to herd immunity. That means that the rest of the country will get it as badly while going up to enough people getting it. NYC is not done with the pandemic, so there will be many more deaths, which gets us a higher number. NYC may have had it more at once, which means that the rest of the country can treat it better. And NYC certainly had it earlier, so the rest of the country can treat it better with the hard won knowledge of NYC.

Anyway you cut it, we are looking at a lot more deaths. If this is a quarter done, we should count ourselves lucky.

 

[Walt]

Lie. You are making up numbers and quoting made up numbers...You are unable to think for yourself.

Using commonly accepted facts does not show a lack of ability to think for oneself.